Dempsey as Penalty Kick Taker

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Maximum Optimal, Jun 11, 2012.

  1. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You've both seen Donovan take penalties for the US right? He's pretty good at converting.

    He was fouled after a pretty long run, that's why he didn't take it.
     
  2. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Landon's successful PK rate in MLS I believe is 94%. MLS Analyst posted this when Keane took the PK in LA a few weeks ago. I know it's over 90% for sure, just can't remember where in the 94-96% range.

    Don't know if he's missed for the USMNT, but with that rate, he's about as money as you can get. I know two of his misses are against Nick Rimando - once in the MLS Cup. Another miss came in the SuperLiga final. Both were skied over the bar.

    With that rate, and I bet his USMNT rate is similar, NO ONE should be interfering with him picking up that ball and taking it to the spot unless he's asking somebody else to do it. Which is what I believe happened against A&B as everyone else has said - hard foul, to Clint.

    If Jozy is in, he might take it instead. Honestly, with Clint's record, that might be my preference. Landon and Jozy don't seem to have a pattern when it comes to PKs.

    It is fun to surmise who would be our 5 PK takers on this team:

    1. LD
    2. Jozy
    3. Clint (think I'd still insert him here)
    4. Bradley
    5. Gomez (if he's on the pitch), otherwise, Jones/Torres????? Johnson might be another option
     
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  3. kylezzzz

    kylezzzz New Member

    Jun 7, 2012
    Sacramento
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Howard should take the PK from the half line.
     
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  4. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He will still score from 100 yards out.







    With help from the wind.
     
  5. lplaksina

    lplaksina Member

    Jan 5, 2002
    Donovan gave it to Dempsey for 2 reasons:
    1. for Clint's confidence
    2. He didn't want his 50th goal to be a PK.

    Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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  6. Ryan.from.NC

    Ryan.from.NC New Member

    May 9, 2012
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All I know is when Landon walked to the spot vs. Ghana in South Africa, (the most recent pk of importance) there was little doubt in my mind he was gonna bury it.

    I'll stick with that feeling for now.
     
  7. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    Nope. The one he ever did miss was vs. El Salvador in the 2007 Gold Cup, but the goalkeeper jumped before Donovan kicked so it was re-taken and Donovan converted.
     
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  8. Hitmonchan

    Hitmonchan Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    New York City
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd like to see Howard score a PK in the World Cup and become the first goalkeeper ever to score in such tournament.
     
  9. Skevin

    Skevin Member+

    Aug 9, 2009
    Colorado
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    1. Donovan
    2. Johnson
    3. Dempsey
    4. Altidore
    5. Bradley
    6. Torres
    7. Jones
    8. Gomez
    9. Beckerman
    10. Cherundolo
     
  10. Nevadatude

    Nevadatude Member

    Apr 14, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting note: the World Cup 2010 video game, iirc, had Michael Bradley as our 2nd-best PK taker, behind Donovan. Dempsey was something like 5th or 6th.
     
  11. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also had just gotten fouled pretty hard.
     
  12. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    History doesn't provide much guide here; I believe the last USA penalty shootout was in the final of the 2005 (intercalated; no Confederations Cup berth at stake) Gold Cup. Of the players available at the end of extra time, only Donovan and Onyewu are still with the team; Dempsey (and Beasley, for that matter) had already been substituted out. Donovan took a PK; Onyewu did not, though the USA only needed four penalty kicks, and I don't recall who the fifth penalty taker would have been (my uninformed guess is John O'Brien).
     
  13. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would move Dempsey way down this list he is not good at penalties.
    More like this:
    1. Donovan
    2. Johnson
    3. Altidore
    4. Bradley
    5. Torres
    6. Jones
    7. Gomez
    8. Dempsey
    9. Beckerman
    10. Cherundolo

    Whether he converts or not he seems to shoot them in the same place every time:






     
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  14. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dempsey gets confused if the ball isn't moving. I'm one of his biggest fans here, and it has to be said: Dead balls have never been his forte. It's his strength and his curse - when everything is in motion and chaotic, he is the best in our pool at just 'feeling' how to strike it (Bradley and Adu are the contenders in my mind).

    That said I get the feeling he has been pushing himself to improve in this recently (since those big flubs). I think he has taken more free-kicks and penalties recently, and even scored his first (and second?) free-kick goals in his career - can anyone confirm? I wouldn't be surprised if he identified that as an area to work on, and decided to practice those in particular.
     
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  15. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is spot on. Dempsey has clearly worked on his dead ball skills and it is paying off. By the end of the season with Fulham he had clearly become their free kick specialist in direct situations. Having said that, his track record with penalties is sub par and Donovan's is A+.
     
  16. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    I'm not sure Jozy is such a great penalty taker either. You need players with confidence and guts, not just skill. Here are my top 5:

    Donovan
    Bradley
    Johnson
    Jones
    Altidore
     
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  17. tubby_butter

    tubby_butter Member

    Mar 22, 2002
    Providence
    Dempsey said after the game that he wanted a goal to get himself going. So i'm sure that was a factor. Some players also don't like to take the kick if they were the one to draw it. Not sure if LD has done this in the past.

    In general, Dempsey seems shaky, and I prefer it not be him. But in a right footed direct kick situation outside the box, he's improved to the point where i think he should be #1.
     
  18. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Put me in the I don't think Clint is particularly good at them camp.
     
  19. oscar_in_fw

    oscar_in_fw Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Kansas City
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good thing most teams don't scout Dempsey and Donovan's PK tendencies (or maybe Cech does). If they did, they'd be stopped everytime.
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The reason I would have a problem with Dempsey taking a PK is that, historically, he's bad at it.

    It's not about attitude. It's about putting the ********ing ball in the ********ing net. I know Landon's routine of kissing his wrists is, um, unmanly, but I don't care because he makes his PKs.

    Some of y'all need to start following figure skating or gymnastics. Some sport where judges decide the winner based on esthetics.
     
  21. oscar_in_fw

    oscar_in_fw Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Kansas City
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I want the guy who can consistently put the ball in the upper corner everytime, even if the goal keeper guesses correctly. But than again, so would every other team.
     
  22. lplaksina

    lplaksina Member

    Jan 5, 2002
    It's not about attitude. It's about putting the ********ing ball in the ********ing net. I know Landon's routine of kissing his wrists is, um, unmanly, but I don't care because he makes his PKs.

    Some of y'all need to start following figure skating or gymnastics. Some sport where judges decide the winner based on esthetics.[/quote]

    Pretty judgemental. If you knew why I doubt you'd think it was "unmanly".
    Engage brain, - post.
     
  23. GONATS

    GONATS Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Atlanta
    This. When he was with New England, I rememebered being shocked that he was not in the top 5 takers in shootouts for some pretty important games. That had to be on him.
     
  24. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Van Persie, Rooney and Aguero all would've finished with more goals than Clint by some margin even if you discounted pks.

    Also, I would point out that Jozy's pk v. Slovenia looked very good. I remember him missing one versus the Galaxy for NYRB. Bradley missed one or 2 for BMG a few years back. That said, I'd still be ok with him stepping up. Torres did convert his pk in the 2009 Interliga finals when Pachuca won and qualified for Libertadores.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No matter why he does it, it would still LOOK unmanly.
     
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