Dempsey as Penalty Kick Taker

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Maximum Optimal, Jun 11, 2012.

  1. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    I was surprised to see Dempsey take the penalty against Antigua. He hasn't taken many with Fulham and his track record with the few he has taken is not good. Donovan has done well when taking them for the national team. I wouldn't have made the switch.
     
  2. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    I don't think a "switch" was made.

    JK mentioned that it is/way up to the players to select the PK taker, and apparently JK is confident with either Donovan or Dempsey (or perhaps even someone else as well) from the spot.

    And in this instance (after Donovan had made a long/hard sprint and suffered a fairly hard tackle -- and the reality that Donovan might rather score his 50th landmark goal from open play), I was fine with Dempsey taking the kick.

    (of course, I'm sure a lot of people would have felt differently had he not buried it.)

    The next PK for the USMNT could be taken by anyone, I would assume. Although Donovan and Dempsey each seem like possible leading candidates.
     
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  3. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    dempsey does it with some swagger.

    donovan is a like a prayer.
     
  4. az2004

    az2004 Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    i trust demspey more, he's got that attitude,

    donovan is fine too, it's like both will make it, but dempsey got an attitude
     
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I bet Donovan's penalty conversion rate for the USMNT is damn good.

    I have no idea why anybody would have a problem with either of them taking the PKs.
     
  6. miggly

    miggly Member

    Jan 25, 2000
    NYC
    Dempsey had PK's saved against Chelsea and Swansea in recent memory. I trust Donovan as he has converted many for the US, including in the World Cup.

    Edit: Although I do agree with Dempsey taking it the other night after Donovan's hard run & foul.
     
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  7. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you've seen every pk he's taken in his Fulham career, I can assure you that you're not particularly excited to see him take the ball and put it on the spot.
     
  8. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will admit that Donovan's lengthy pre-kick ritual and the perception in the past that he was somehow underachieving used to make me less than confident. Ever since he converted against Buffon at CC in 2009 and then capped off his excellent WC10 converting against Ghana, I believe in Landon. I love Clint, but the Chelsea miss does tend to linger in one's mind.
     
  9. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    I feel bad for Demps, as the other goal leaders in the EPL all have their goal-scoring stats padded by PKs, which may be why Clint is taking more of them now. That said, Donovan is rock solid and should always be the first choice penalty takes for the US.
     
  10. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah Landon is just plain better at penalties and has nailed a few pressure packed ones for the USA. The equalizer against Mexico in the Gold Cup in 2007, the Ghana nail biter in South Africa (I couldn't watch), the one in Chicago against Honduras in the hex when we had gone down early (off a bad Dempsey turnover), the crowd was in full voice against us at home, and WCQ truly seemed in the balance...

    Until he misses a big one or retires, he's the guy if he's on the field.
     
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  11. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    I wasn't too impressed by the one Dempsey took against Antigua.
     
  12. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is just silly. Dempsey has missed (or declined to take) some very important penalties in his career.
     
  13. BirdsonFire

    BirdsonFire Member

    May 9, 2008
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    i wouldn't read anything more into this other than that donovan made a hard run (and foul)

    now... if it's guatemala, i would expect he will be all over it
     
  14. Benny Dargle

    Benny Dargle Member+

    Jul 23, 2008
    LA
    If Donovan really deferred to Dempsey to help get Clint jump-started, as JK and the article seemed to imply, it wouldn't be the first time. Landon did that at the end of April with the Galaxy in its tie with FC Dallas, letting Robbie Keane have the PK (which he promptly missed). With it happening twice in a short period for both club and country, you have to wonder if Donovan is actually losing some confidence in his own PK taking ability rather than trying to rebuild the confidence of others.
     
  15. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Donovan did beef his MLS Cup Final 2009 attempt vs RSL, but aside from that I can't remember any significant PKs that's he flubbed.

    I prefer the placement over power approach and I think Donovan embodies the former while Dempsey the latter.
     
  16. ScrappytheSeal4

    Jun 5, 2010
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From what I've heard he let him take it because Keane was doing poorly. Keane went on to miss the whole goal.

    I'm quite certain Donovan has plenty of confidence in his own abilities. Stop with the conspiracy theories.
     
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  17. Pass-n-Go

    Pass-n-Go Member+

    Jul 5, 2008
    Dempsey took it because Donovan was recovering from a hard foul. Nothing more or less.
     
  18. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Gee, I remember the last time Dempsey 'could' have taken a penalty for the US, it was Jozy Altidore who took it.

    This Dempsey 'swagger' is such a load of shit.
     
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  19. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not a strong point in his game. Every one I've seen goes in the same spot, to the keeper's right.
     
  20. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    I don't remember when this was?

    Re: the OP, Clint's my guy, and I love him, but he's not a good PK option. Every shot is down the middle, slightly to the keeper's right.
     
  21. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Slovenia in November.
     
  22. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Ahhhhhhh yeah.

    Clint already had one at that point, right? Maybe it was sort of a "spread it around" thing?

    Whatever, though. In the end, this is a non-thing. Donovan should be the primary PK taker barring circumstances (a hard tackle, not being in the game, missing a leg). I don't know that I'd really want Clint in a list of 5 in a shootout with his less-than-stellar record for Fulham.

    And that's coming from a big Dempsey fan.
     
  23. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Altidore is a decent PK taker. I beleive as soon as Johnson drew the pk he went straight to Dempsey and said 'I'm taking it'.

    In the last game I just thought that Donovan just took a hard foul and wanted Dempsey to take it due to that. There is some stat out there about players who draw the pk who try to take it but then have a high miss probability.
     
  24. usa1950

    usa1950 Member

    Aug 18, 2000
    Indiana USA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has Donovan ever missed a PK with a USA shirt on his back?
     
  25. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Donovan is the #1 PK taker by miles. Sometimes after a hard foul, long run, etc., it is wise to let someone else take it.
     
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