nop este baile aun no termina..... FALTAN MAS! HAHAHHAHAHA joda hasta los de cerveza aguila nos maman gallo
And you say It according to what?? vs. Venezuela we were way better and should've won unless Perea's mistake. Beside that they already lost to Chile at home as well and not that good as everyone already booked them a place in the WC. Vs. Argentina we played well in the first half and lack of concentration (+ misunderstanding between Ospina & yepes) cost us the points. I feel that you and many of the posters here are disrespecting the Nt too quickly. All of a sudden you guys miss Leonel? Miss Bolillo? Give Pekerman a break. Yes we looked like shit in the 2 matches, I wanna look on the bright side that we won Peru and at least get 3 points. I haqve no doubt that at home we'll play much better. But you cannot praise Pekerman for giving us 3 points in Lima and then replace him for Leonel after losing in Quito. I hate to see these long balls because we're not freaking England and just like Minus said, we do not have speedy forward. I do think that Pekerman got it wrong yesterday with late subs. Muriel should entered much earlier instead of Pabon (bad game, but no need to crucify him especially after you all praised him for his pass to James in Lima) and maybe Aldo instead of Soto ( I wouldn't take Guarin out). Also, I don't understand why to bench Zuñiga and put Perea instead. All week I asked here to replace both Yepes & Perea and yesterday we saw why. Perea was horrible (maybe because of the injury) and Yepes did a solid work in the first half but ran out of strenght in the second half and bad defending of our CB in their goal. We must try out as mant defenders as we can, we cannot stay with the same average CB. Zapata & Bernardo must get some playing time in friendlies and I would also try to work with Pedro Franco and Oscar Murillo/John Medina because they are our future. Armero disappointed me a lot in these matches, but in my opinion he is still one of the best LB in the world and let's hope that he'll come in good form vs. Uruguay. We didn't celebrate too much vs. Peru and we don't need to cry too much over this loss. Ecuador is average minus team who will get most of their points in Quito but on the road they don't have too much to offer. 4 points minimum are must in September and I believe we can get them. Chile looks powerful but it's not Bielsa's Chile. The only thing that worries me in this game is the defense so I hope Pekerman will work and look for other options + work with the players on how to keep the ball as much as possible and not to lose it after 3 passes. We used to be the best NT in the world who posses the ball as much as possible and now we cannot pass more then 2-3 passes before losing it. This way you cannot win. We got the players, we got the coach, we are better then most NT in these qualifiers in my opinion. Colombia still have 10 games to go to secure an automatic spot in Brazil and we will do it. VAMOS COLOMBIA!!
What a bunch of drama queens. It would have been nice to get points in Ecuador, but as you all know Ecuador is very hard team to beat at home... (look at their home Results) I think it was a game that could have gone either way. Don't start writing off Pekerman after two games. Nobody remembers how horrible Bolillo was? Remember Colombia vs Costa Rica sub 20. Horrible... Remember Leonel vs Venezuela in the second half? Pekerman is a better coach, than any of the previous Colombian coaches and it might take a little bit for the players to start playing the way he wants... or look at Bielsa and his Chile or Athletic side... Athletic lost 4 first games in a row. Stop making drama; currently we have 7 points, 2 points less than last year. However Last year we beat Venezuela and Argentina at home, and only got 2 points vs Peru and Ecuador... this time we have 3 points on our away games vs Peru and Ecuador, the one that truly ********ed up our points was Leonel vs Venezuela; that should have been a win. I still think 30 points will be achieved. Cheers, stop crying people.
I agree with the previous posts. 6 or 7 points in the next 3 games and we would be back on track, definetely need to win the two home games. The main preocupation is the forced revamping of the defense, almost exactly as happened 4 years ago when Pinto hit a wall. If Zapata, Bernardo and/or Perea are up to the task I envision the team playing a lot better. IMHO we do need to set a more defensive minded midfield (4-2-3-1) with Valencia and Sanchez starting and either Soto, Guarin or Pabon going to the bench. Most likely Pabon after his horrific game yesterday.
I guess nothing changes even if we have a foreign coach. We can still see how they stick their dirty money hungry hands in all age categories of the Colombian national team. Yesterday was a horrible game I really can't even re watch it on youtube. Here's an idea, What about if Pekerman does the microcyclo or whatever that was and grab the best players from the colombian and other leagues mix them with the motivated players such as zuniga, james, falcao, mosqueda, ospina and such then atleast we could have some type of chemistry. How the **** does a professional team not know how to make 3 consecutive passes!? Pekerman THIS IS HIS TEAM AND IF YOU COME INTO THE NATIONAL WITH YOUR OWN PUBLICITY AGENDA THEN GET OUT! I'm tired of seeing the same bs we see every 4 years. Straight up, Don't tell me things about their home record blah blah, NO! we go in there and we play with our identity our football, if the players can't handle it then be a man and gtfo
uru 11 5 73% chi 12 6 67% arg 10 5 67% ecu 9 5 60% col 7 5 47% ven 8 6 44% par 4 5 27% bol 4 6 22% per 3 5 20% Esa es la tabla por porcentaje de puntos ganados. Esto se perfila con 3 equipos clasificando facil (Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay), 3 eliminados prontico (Paraguay, Bolivia y Peru) y 3 mas peleando por cupo y medio (Ecuador, Venezuela y Colombia) y lo malo es que hemos perdido puntos con los que parecen nuestros rivales directos. Pero creo que hay chances de clasificar asi sea por repechaje.
Venezuela and this other teams i ve seen played, and the played very well collective.....for that reason i think that they are better.........Im not bitching pekerman and i don't want that he quit.......but since argentina match, colombia it seems full of selfish players and is playing bad
I do agree on this formation but it's a bit hursh to get down on Pabon so hard just because of yesterday. The guy has solid qualifiers so far with 2 goals and assist and even though he can make you rip out your hair with his selfishness, I still prefer him way better then Soto because we need more offensive and speedy players to support Falcao. I believe he wil learn more in the future when to release the ball. a good formation for Uruguay/Chile may be (according 4-2-3-1): ------------------------Ospina--------------------- Zuñiga-------Zapata/Perea------Bernardo----Armero ---------------Sanchez-----------Valencia--------- Pabon/Muriel---------Guarin/Aldo----------James -----------------------Falcao-------------------------
I think we should give ibarbo a chance too. It was so frustrating yesterday to see us loose every one on one duel. Ibarbo is big and strong as hell, even if he's not always that efficient, he's great at keeping the ball and making the opponents desperate. He would've slowed down the pace and let us breathe a little.
Embarrassing. This is a game we should win on pure talent alone. I don't care that we're away, thats the mentality that's kept us out of the last 3 world cups.It makes me sick that basically all of our players play in Europe , but they don't have the skill to link up for more than 3 passes before losing possession. How can they be that bad? James, is supposed to be some great playmaker but he misses so many open players because he has no weak foot. This team has problems.....
I'm not saying he's a bad player but someone needs to take control of the midfield. The last two games were pathetic.
Gracias Pekerman por alinear al pesimo Yepes. Gracias Pekerman por alinear un equipo mas defensivo que el mismisimo equipo de JL Pinto. Gracias Pekerman por demorarse casi 15 minutos en hacer los cambios despues del gol. Gracias Pekerman por hacer los cambios equivocados (Aldo Leao era el jugador para entrar, que le hubiera podido rescatar el partido) Eso de ver a Sanchez jugando de central solamente porque Yepes no sirve es ridiculo.. y Armero que no regrese mas a la seleccion! No nos digamos mentiras.. con ese equipito no vamos a ningun mundial, un equipo ultra-esquematizado que se preocupa mas por no perder.. y una vez que va perdiendo no sabe que hacer. Mas le vi a la seleccion Peru que perdio con dignidad en Uruguay. Mis peores sospechas de Pekerman se confirmaron: Con razon hace siglos no entrena ningun equipo profesionalmente.. ese es otro cuentero vende-humos como Maturranga que vive de sus exitos de hace siglos atras. Con razon ya estaba retirado. Francamente me quedo con el equipo de Leonel, que al menos trataba de atacar. Al final terminamos siendo victimas de nuestro propio invento, de querer un DT extranjero, y terminamos con algo peor. Leonel debe estar cagado de la risa. Muchachos, despidanse del mundial.
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Here are some positive stats. The only other team that has achieved +6 pts on road games so far is Chile. Chile's downside is that in 4 games, they have 2 wins and 2 horrible losses (4-1, 4-0). We've only played 2 home games (1 pt). If we start thinking as Ecuador and Venezuela as our direct competition, then we aren't as bad off as everyone is panicking about. Venezuela has a point advantage but has also played an extra game (goal diff -2). Ecuador has played an extra home game (compared to us). Of course this all assumes we get positive results at home the rest of the way. In other words, it is still early, no need to start giving up. We still have 6 home games and 5 road games to go. Plenty of games to go.
I think we all agree prior to the match that pretty much we have a starting 11. Mostly we differ with 1-2 players but overall the players called up are the best we have. However, with no fault to Pekerman, no ONE would have expected the pathetic drop in quality that we've seen in several matches with the NT from such key players: Zuniga, Cuadrado, Armero and Guarin, with the last 2 almost unrecognizable. Add to this the lack of defensive backing in Yepes and Perea and we now have almost half a team that is clearly underperforming. Pekerman needs to read the match (and his players) better although he did eventually sub out an unresponsive Guarin. Ecuador was not some well oiled machine that had us pulling out save after save. The mistake on the goal not covering the throw in right by your box is inexcusable for a NT. What's more frustrating in that play is to watch Armero just ball watching instead of holding on to his mark, who just happens to score the goal. We also all pretty much agree that based on our talents, the 4-1-4-1 is the key to our play. Watching Falcao and Pabon all the way up, with a lonely James somehow trying to connect a pass to anyone within 10 feet was impossible. All the players would move away from him as opposed to forming a 1-2-3 punch. Falcao is completely lost in this current formation. So now we will lose Perea, Yepes, Armero? and Mosquera for the next match. Mosquera won't be so easy to replace but Perea and Yepes simply don't belong. Perea doesn't have a club at the moment and if he's injured I don't see him coming back so easily. The Uruguayans have great speed and also love to bump/knock players in the box so we'll need some strength in the middle --Zapata --Espinoza come to mind. I still have faith but this was a downer of a match.
Not so much giving up as WTF were we doing against Peru and Ecuador. It was probably the worst I have ever seen the National team play. The Peru game was worse than when Pinto was coach and we just won because we had better players. Ecuador !!! Did we even have 1 shot at goal? Did we ever give the ball the Falcao? He went back to when we were coached by Pinto were Falcao had to run to midfield to get the fing ball because the MF was not doing what it was suppose to. Aquivaldo our best defender cost us the game. So far our 3 CBs have cost us 8 points. Aquivaldo cost us this game, Perea cost us the tie against Venezuela and Yepes the game against Argentina. As bad as our defense is, we have no MF or offense. Next game we better go back to a 4-4-2. I couldn't believe we had 4 strikers and none attacked. This team has 3 players Sanchez, James and Falcao. Everyone else was useless last game
i don't know what's worse - dropping 3 points against Ecuador or the fact that i ordered the PPV to watch the game and the cable company (time warner) did not allow me to record the PPV. when i got home from my game, i tried to watch what i recorded but my DVR list was empty. according to time warner, PPV's are not allowed to be recorded, yet i was able to record the Peru game last week and several WWE PPV's previously. i love how people think 6-7 points in the next 3 games will put us back in contention. we drop points to venezuela and ecuador - yet it becomes easy when we have chile/uruguay/paraguay coming up. the only positive to last night's game was the fact that we won't see grandpa yepes play in the next game.
No caigamos en lo mismo con Leonel, de andar diciendo que es lo peor y que bla bla bla. El equipo tiene que hacer muchos cambios, de local se tiene que jugar mucho mejor y vienen amistosos donde se puede preparar el equipo. Por el momento. Sanchez y 10+
La historia de Pinto se repite. El problema no es que se haya jugado mal y se haya perdido, el problema es no veo como, ni con que le vamos a ganar partidos a selecciones que son muy superiores a Colombia, como Uruguay, y Chile, sobre todo si Pekerman va a seguir insistiendo con su esquema que no funciona y los mismos que no sirven como Perea, Armero, Yepes. No hay que ser ciego para darse que no tenemos con que jugar un mundial. Los milagritos de Lima no siempre se van a repetir. Si defendiendonos con 5 no pudimos con un equipo tan discreto como Ecuador, imaginense lo que nos van a hacer en Santiago, Bns. Aires y Montevideo. Por ahi lei que con Argentina Pekerman jugaba a un 4-4-2 en defensa, que se convertia en un 3-5-2 en ataque. Creo que el quiere hacer algo parecido con Colombia, o sea el 5-4-1 en defensa se convirtio en 3-4-3, donde por ejemplo Armero subio y Yepes le toco marcar la punta (!), y ahi fue cuando Rojas lo comenzo a bailar en el segundo tiempo. Desafortunadamente Armero es un desastre, no defendio ni ataco, y Yepes cada dia es mas lento, y de milagro no nos metieron mas goles. En el medio campo, no tenemos un equipo de jugadores que hagan pases o juegen en conjunto.. tenemos un equipo de estrellitas donde cada cual quiere hacer su gol de media distancia. Me gustaria saber quien fue el culpable de que Colombia las quisiera jugar todas al pelotazo milagroso.. los jugadores o Pekerman.. Ese metodo de juego nunca le ha servido a la seleccion Colombia, o si no preguntele al genio de Pinto. Pekerman no da signo alguno de entender lo mal que juega la seleccion, o de querer cambiar las cosas, y sinceramente no veo como vamos a clasificar.
P.S. En la transmision de la Eurocopa en RCN, acabaron de decir que a Pekerman no le gusta jugar al toque, que solamente le gusta jugar al pelotazo.. sinceramente yo no conozco muy bien el historial tactico de Pekerman.. es verdad o no?
No creo...los periodistas colombianos y en especial adolfo perez siempre se ah caracterizado, por ser porfetas de lo que ya paso... Esta argentina si me acuerdo de algo es que jugaba mucho, al pie y facil.....que con pkerman no se ha materializado un estilo de juego con colombia es diferente...
Pekerman is NOT a defensive coach. He is a coach who had several big name players absolutely crap the bed yesterday in Quito: - Guarin has the most leadership acumen of any of our players, but he is just out of shape. Not having him at the end of the game yesterday made the comeback super tough because he is the guy with he personality but he doesn't have the stuff right now. - Armero despite his success in Italy looked an absolute liability against Valencia yesterday. He looked helpless. And that was after a nice 2nd half against Peru where I thought he'd found his feet. - I don't know what to say about Pabon - I can look past the 3 or 4 fast break counter attacks he personally dismantled with shots aimed at Guayaquil, but his decision to rob James of the set play at the final whistle and shoot it straight out of bounds is the most Leroy Jenkins sporting action I've seen in ages. Ridiculous.