Fulham Yourself If You Don't Believe It: Dempsey VI

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  1. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    I think I heard it on Men with Blazers, who admittedly are not experts. They referred back to the World Cup, but I can't remember any problems there. Not rumor mongering, but they made it sound like common knowledge. It was news to me.
     
  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    My favorite line in that article:

    Dempsey's league total of 17 was one greater than the combined haul of Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing, Steven Gerrard, Jordan Henderson, Dirk Kuyt, Lucas Leiva, Maxi Rodriguez, Jonjo Shelvey and Jay Spearing - and there is a clear need for a prolific finisher.

    There's a lot regarding a Liverpool move that makes sense. And while they're not in the CL this season, they will be competing for a spot in the CL yearly.
     
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  3. tubby_butter

    tubby_butter Member

    Mar 22, 2002
    Providence
    So maybe if a non-CL team with potential (like Liverpool) makes an offer, then that is a gamble to weigh against letting his contract at Fulham run out - in the absence of other options. Not sure which i would do.
     
  4. oscar_in_fw

    oscar_in_fw Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Kansas City
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only way this makes sense for Dempsey is if Liverpool doubles his salary AND greed trumps his Champions league aspirations. I suppose Liverpool could give him the challenge of elevating Liverpool's current mediocre team to a top 4 finish next season....
     
  5. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stranger things have happened, but I just don't see Liverpool finishing above of either Man U/City, Arsenal. chelsea and probably even Newcastle, maybe Spurs.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    If the decision is Fulham or Liverpool (which it surely isn't)...........that's a no-brainer. One will never qualify for the Champions League, while one will be a competing for trophies every season. In fact, they won a trophy last season.
     
  7. tubby_butter

    tubby_butter Member

    Mar 22, 2002
    Providence
    I don't think its a no-brainer. The conversation significantly changes if a bonafide CL team can get him for free next year (there will certainly be more interest). That is a pretty strong argument for another year with Fulham (obviously without re-upping). But it isn't without risk (maybe his form dips, maybe he gets injured).
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Except you've gotta strike while the iron is hot. Clubs want Clint now. What if he has a good 2012-13 campaign.............but not up to 2011-12's standards? What if he gets injured, and is out of action for 4-5 months? Will Roma and Arsenal (just to pick two random clubs) be interested then? He'll be a year older. Clint isn't a spring chicken. This time next year he'll be the wrong side of 30.

    And Fulham surely doesn't want him to walk for nothing at the end of the 2012-13 campaign. Everything points to Clint leaving Fulham this summer. The only question is where................
     
  9. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Spurs right now would finish above Newcastle, and blow away Liverpool. However, I don't see Newcastle repeating their performance next year. And Chelsea are not much better than Liverpool. Liverpool could finish as high as 5th next year as things currently stand. But Tottenham in 3 months could be a shadow of today's team, with both Modric and Bale sure to be wanted by many teams. They both might leave since the team didnt make the CL. So Liverpool could realistically finish 4th next year with a little luck, and that is without Dempsey.
     
  10. Copperhead

    Copperhead Member

    Jan 1, 2011
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still think that about Aguero? *elbow*
     
  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dempsey and Donovan are polar opposites in so, so many ways, so I'm not surprised their not friends. So long as they get along on the field it's all good.
     
  12. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't fool yourself - they hate each other:
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  13. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly, when you step on the field it doesn't matter how you feel about someone. You play together and you celebrate together. It doesn't matter how you feel about them off the field.
     
  14. Cognizen

    Cognizen New Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    http://video.nbcsports.msnbc.com/nbc-sports/47579831#47579831

    Get a clue - how could you read Dempsey's comment about not talking off the field as a negative - look at :57 - he's flat out asked "what's Landon saying to you?" and he responds with I don't know, we don't really talk that much away from the field... You really wanna try to use that as 'proof'?

    They really may not like one another but basing your judgement off of that is a serious jump in logic.
     
  15. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    Excuse me, why was my post edited?
     
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  16. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    I would imagine that typically, the moderators don't have much patience for sexism.
     
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  17. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
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    United States

    OK, but I wasn't informed in any way. Shouldn't they at least, ya know, tell me?

    And was it really sexist? I've been a ref for 10 years. I've never seen boys on the same team get into a confrontation during a game. I've seen them yell and argue, but they always resolve the situation without intervention from the coah/ref. On the other hand, I've seen at least 15 incidents of girls fighting with their teammates. I've had to separate girls, I've seen coaches send girls home.

    -Michael Connor, Psy.D

    Contrary to popular opinion, pointing out the well documented differences between males and females isn't sexist. Men and women should be equal, not identical.
     
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  18. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hi,

    You are quite correct that you should have been informed about the reasons your post was edited. I apologize for that. My only excuse is that I seem to be the lone moderator on duty and I'm at work, so I had to move quickly between appointments. That is not much of an excuse, I admit.

    I would question the point you're trying to make, regarding the editing of your post, however. There is a difference between that which is well documented and that which is the product of our own, necessarily subjective, observations. I am reasonably certain that the observation that "chicks" are more liable to intrasquad conflicts is yet to be supported by any consistent, reliable test. And I am also reasonably certain that the ad hoc observations of a single individual--even one so well positioned to observe as a referee--would constitute a valid test of that hypothesis.

    We recently had a lengthy discussion about this sort of thing that began in this forum and migrated to customer service and I am not going to subject the posters of this forum to another one. Please feel free to talk to me about this via a private conversation, if you'd like.

    Thanks, and I do regret not letting you know why your post had been edited at the time.

    edit: that includes everyone else. I'm going to delete posts that follow up on this topic. Please feel free to address me directly, via a conversation. Thanks. Stick with Dempsey as topic. He's more interesting than bungadiri.
     
  19. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
  20. Pablo Chicago

    Pablo Chicago Member+

    Sep 7, 2005
    Sweet Home Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know! All I posted was, "Stick your foot in your mouth much?" and they deleted my post without even giving me a heads up. So much for customer service these days.

    No matter how hard you attempt to defend your position based on your personal experience, yes it was a sexist remark, and if you haven't picked up on the sarcasm in response to your first quote, yes it deserved to be removed.

    It may come as a shock to you, but women haven't cornered the market on holding personal grudges that impact their performance on the field.
     
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  21. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I apologize if I offended anyone. I can assure everyone here that I am not sexist in any way. You're absolutely right about women not cornering the market on grudges. I was just pointing out that men and women tend to handle their grudges differently (potentially because of the differences in left/right brain connection).

    As for Dempsey, its quite obvious this is a non issue. Even if Dempsey and Donovan aren't best buddies off the pitch, it certainly doesn't effect the USMNT.

    EDIT: USMNT/Donovan talk is off topic, so back to Dempsey transfer saga
     
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  22. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, and I'm happy to leave this (very gracious especially given the circumstances) post up. I'd like to say for the record that I certainly never intended to imply that you intended offense or that you are at at all sexist. It had as much to do with insuring an environment that welcomes discussion about the game and our players from everybody, and I know from having read your posts that you contribute to that effort very positively on a regular basis.
     
  23. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Geez, this happens too much in YA.

    Anyway, No way Liverpool gets top 4. That's ridiculous. Well at this point I can only see him going to Arsenal. And that is a long shot.
     
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  24. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who doesn't love a girl fight?
     
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  25. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    And this thing with Liverpool. Dempsey isn't going to be a player that pushes them over the top and into the CL, and quite frankly, that's what Liverpool need.

    I'm sure Dempsey could fit in at many CL clubs. He can also take a decent team (Fulham) and make them good. However, I'm not sure that he can take a good team and make them great.
     

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