A really bad time to lose to your rival for the league title, just 2 games to go. I think this is pretty much over as Newcastle don't seem to be in the golden touch that they once were. Seems like title headed to blue side of the city.
you mean the Anderson, Berbatov, Valencia, Young signings of old just aren't getting it done? what is that?? 80M? jones was over another huge signing.
I don't agree. We've got a squad that can auto-pilot the league. Loads of experience and proven quality. This is trolling. But it is also stupid because Berbatov is better than all of your forwards bar one, Valencia better than all your wingers period and Young has had a good first season. Jones is a kid, we didn't sign him to have an immediate impact. But the funniest thing about your post is the fact that Arsenal haven't won a trophy since before all of those guys were on our team. You don't even live in a glass house, you live in a glass.
I'm about half-way done with the game. Reminds me of how annoying a game with Park can be to watch. He's very busy and trying hard, but not much happening there. We need to get rid of Sir Alex's crutches -- Giggs and Scholes. They need to be replaced this summer.
I've been saying this for years...United have been in such a steep decline since 2009.It just baffles me how a man like SAF who has won so much can screw up this badly. Or is it his fault? Who is to blame here? The Glazers or Ferguson? The players brought in since that time are showing once again how they are not good enough. I've never been a fan of Valencia's style of play, but like it or not he's been the best player on the team. How does he not start? Giggs is more trustworthy than Valencia at this moment in time? Let alone Sir Runs Alot (aka Ji-Sung Park). There is just so many questions as to why has this team been allowed to decline for this long with no one speaking up or to be challenged? As United started to decline so did the level of play in the Premier League. And as a fan you see the problems before you, but you are just left helpless because you don't even know if the club knows the problems exist and if they have the ability to fix them. It's amazing how City left it all out there on the field while United didn't even know where to start. We all talk about how United are a classic 4-4-2 team and City just showed how you play that formation. Where is our Toure, Kompany, Silva and Aguero? 80 million pounds gone down the drain. I'll also say that this problem has a lot to do with preferring to have a considerable core of British players. We're buying the best British players available instead of the best players available. Just a bad transfer policy.
Respuesta: Re: Manchester City v Manchester United, Monday, April 30, 2012 [R] thought i was the only one who thought DdG didn't really do anything decisive on the goal as i mentioned earlier. i guess he still isn't willing (or maybe able as well) to barge players out the way to get to the ball. or go through them as some commentators say well i think Giggs was signed for 1 more year so even if we find a replacement i am not sure how much replacing they would do next season. also, as an aside (not a result of this game but more last 2 yrs or so) is our scouting network that good? or that bad? or as i asked about the tactics is Fergie just too stubborn? or maybe even the transfer policy too restricting? recently Valencia,Nani,Smalling & Hernández aside we seem to be missing more than we hit. (won't include any of this season's new guys since they need to settle and a settled team to settle into)
Wait, you guys are calling for fergie's head after losing to city? I don't like the guy but to say that he is not one of the best and ha pretty much took your club from oblivion to success would be a blatant lie. Get serious ffs. He ain't and should not go anywhere and you lot should be glad to have him.
Re: Respuesta: Re: Manchester City v Manchester United, Monday, April 30, 2012 [R] 62nd minute -- Utd is bringing the ball up the side. Giggs is playing give-n-go with Wellbeck....except the pass that Giggs sends up the side is soooooooo slow and it leaves Wellbeck standing in no-man's-land waiting for the ball to arrive. City players are swarming and get the ball back. Next time up the field, Utd goes soooooo slow. Nani tries to zip around, but no one notices. And then Jones kicks the ball over the entire 18 yard box..... I guess we replaced the ineffective Park with the ineffective Wellbeck? Now Jones gets a yellow card. He really does resemble a golden retriever puppy constantly knocking over the furniture. You know he means well and is trying hard as he careens around....but that really doesn't mean all that much in the big scheme of things.
Respuesta: Re: Respuesta: Re: Manchester City v Manchester United, Monday, April 30, 2012 [R] we had nothing going in attack. could hardly expect Welbeck to turn all that around especially with no link up with Rooney. did you pvr it? or there was some replay on?
Re: Respuesta: Re: Respuesta: Re: Manchester City v Manchester United, Monday, April 30, 2012 [R] Our attack was garbage today. Our title was decided in a match where I don't think we had a single shot on goal. That says enough. There was no link up out of midfield, and every time something miraculously occurred Park fell over or Nani made a meal of it.
I understand this, and its fair. But some people on here start behaving like Fergie has no idea what he is doing, and begin insinuating that without a proper 2nd man, he is severely and terminally hampered. All these points you have brought up, about 90 percent I agree with. But that's just it. I agree with it, on my computer, at home, while having no experience coaching at a high level. How many times did we critisice a certain line-up then go on to win? What is that, luck? Fergie saw it a different way than we all did, and he made his call, wrong or not, because at the end of the day, all it is is that an opinion. We could sit here and discuss tactics all day, question why Fergie made such decision, but he isnt fkn rafa Benitez, his record is proven, and his judgement, while sometimes wrong, is better than all of ours on this board combined. My qualms are with some saying things like: "For the past 25 years we have made the same mistakes over and over!", or "Fergie has cost us the title!", or my personal favorite "He needs someone to help him tactically!". Huh? Seriously? I'm not fighting with you Johno, and there's no question about who knows more about football between us, but i hope you still do consider and understand my point. It's city, we're tied with them at the top after them spending 25 gazillion pounds on players. Who is that down to? Ferguson. As big as his shortcomings may be, I just want people to scale down the negativity. Discussion and criticism is fair game. Maintaining a position is also fair game. But I would hope that people don't behave like prophets because they criticised a line-up that ended up failing, because they do that before every game anyways. So Fergie keeps making the same mistakes? The upper management keeps failing? We have all seen this coming? Our team is too weak? Fergie is tactically useless and outdated? I don't know if all thats true or not, but 4 titles(possibly 5 still) in 6 years and 3 appearances in the Champions League finals in the same span is good enough for me, much more than good enough actaully. Who is that all down to? I beleive I don't even need to respond. I hate to be beating a dead horse, but alot on here need to have some humble pie in relation to Fergie and our team. We are against possibly the 2 cash richest clubs of the last 10 years, the best Barcelona team of all time, A real madrid headed by an all-time coach and player, and guess what, we are making a great account of ourselved. What do you all want? 6 titles in a row? EDIT: Johno I just read that you think we should fire Fergie, maybe we should appoint you? Ridiculous assertions by some on this board, I thought alot better of most on here.
I've sat and read through this entire thread, and your final post makes some of the most relevant points that United fans have needed to hear in a long time, Malcolm. Well said. Listening to Mancini on the news this morning, I think he's got it right. United are still favourites. They finish the season with two games they would expect to win at a canter, whereas City have to go to Champions League chasing Newcastle and then face relegation scrapping QPR. United are still favourite to take that title. The question is; Which team has got The Force with them..? We won't know until those two games are done and dusted. And that irks United fans, doesn't it..? The doubts are creeping in and it's something they're not used to. In the last twenty years or so a belief has built up that has been hitherto rock solid. United will come good. United have the mental strength. United will prevail in the end. And that's how it has mostly been. Oh, for sure, Arsenal and Chelsea have had their moments, but the feeling has always been that they Premiership has never been taken away, only loaned out and although that was annoying to United fans, they were Arsenal and Chelsea.... easily dismissed as being a long way away. Not on your own doorstep. But now there's a challenger who is in your faces. That bunch from across town, so long derided as insignificant.......so easily mocked and jeered at with Tickers and "show us your medals" taunts. Cheap shots and arrogant bombast, the stock in trade of those who loftily proclaim their own superiority at every turn, poured forth from Old Trafford. The northern challenge to United's hegemony of English football was always expected to come from Liverpool and even when Kenny Dalglish came back, the first game he took charge of for 'pool was a cup tie at Old Trafford which United won. No challenge there that couldn't be seen off, eh..? Business as usual. City..? Yeah, they had money but no class. Mancini won't do anything.... he's a pygmy compared to SAF.... They're just noisy neighbours. And so it was pronounced. It was expected that City might enjoy a little cup success and qualify for the Champions League for a few seasons and then fizzle out. But win the Premiership..? Take away United's personal property..? Nah. It's not going to happen. It seemed they could be so easily dismissed. Brushed aside as irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things. But they're not going away, rather, the noisy neighbours who leave the radio on all night are turning the radio up. Sir Alex gave them an ASBO, but they're ignoring it. I think United will probably win the Premiership this season and they'll celebrate. Fair enough. But they'll know they've been second best. A title this season will only be papering over the cracks that are appearing in the monolith that is Manchester United. This is not a great United team. Defensively fragile, too reliant in midfield on the ageing remainder of The Golden Generation. Too reliant on Wayne Rooney to lead the attacking line. United are only a Rooney torn hamstring or snapped achilles tendon away from having to rely on who..? Berbatov..? Hernandez..? Not bad, but far from the best. If United win the title then City and their fans will have to take it on the chin. I'm sure you lot will rub their noses in it. Again, business as usual. But it will only fuel their desire. They will learn from the mistakes of this season and come back all the stronger. Both clubs will set out to strengthen their squads during the summer but it is United that have the more pressing issues in that regard. Also, City have more money. They can outbid United for any player. Another thought is that, with SAF's retirement surely not too far over the horizon and the now inescapable awareness that the blue moon is continuing, against all expectation, to rise, which club do you think the best players would want to join. ? United may get away with it this season, but sooner or later, a huge crap sandwich is going to be delivered to Old Trafford, courtesy of your noisy neighbours. And you're all going to have to take a bite. .
By the way all those who believe today's game cost us the title, today's game did not cost us the title, a title isn't decided by one game, it's decided over the course of the season, pick any one of the following for costing us the title: Conceeding 3 unnecessary goals at Old Trafford from city (GD would be a differnce of 2, which we could make up in 2 games). Conceeding a last minute equaliser to Blackburn at home. Twice coughing up at 2 goal lead when up at HOME against Everton Complacent effort against Wigan. We lost more than 3 points that day, City were beaten, they would not have gone on in the form they have been if we had of won. This teams seems to have lost the grit and determination of last year when we were able to constantly come from behind and salvage points. Oh well, not much you can except try and put 10 goals past Swansea at home
I dont know what this is but Chelsea dominated far far more than City on basis of a sugar daddy, we spend three years not getting anywhere close to a title when Mourinho was here and Chelsea were spending. This year with a transitional squad will probably lose the title of goal difference, hardly blue moon rising. Blue moon rising and the Ettihad is empty most days ? Loses of 200 m? You think this or any such trend is sustainable, I guess the so called demise of Man Utd fills you with glee and this isnt the first time that has been predicted has it. Enjoy your moment in the sun, wont last long.
At the beginning of the season, we said "rebuilding year". So we're not doing too badly considering that, I think. In fact, you could wonder why Man City, with it's gazillions spent, isn't running away with the title.... Problem is that I didn't see those new players yesterday when I watched the game. I saw Giggs and Scholes and Park lumbering up and down the field. Where were those new hopes? Admittedly we managed to get all of our wing players onto the field....it was comical watching them be subbed on, one after another. And we had a few forwards that couldn't be fit into the team. But no new midfielders.....
We're not doing a good job at rebuilding if we are still so dependent on Giggs, Rio and Scholes. One of our central midfielders (Anderson) who we have been depending on has had a shit and injury hit season once again, Fletcher is done, Cleverley has failed to regain form and Pogba is sure to leave. Things are getting bad faster than we are trying to believe are looking good
Interesting comments on here following what was, let's be honest, a pretty p*ss-poor display from us last night. The question is, was this simply a poor performance compounded by a poor team selection and tactical approach? Or was this the consequence of something far deeper rooted in the club and squad? Before I go into what may appear to be something of a rant, I’m not questioning Sir Alex Ferguson’s judgement or performance as a manager. Only as fool would suggest they know better. However, in the interests of discussion.............. 1) For me, the selection of Ji Sung Park was as inexplicable as it was non-sensical. We’re talking about a technically limited player who hasn’t played in 3 months. A player who’s game is based on physical input / output, but who was clearly never going to be match fit. His presence offered much defensively, but was also a major contributor to our inability to remotely threaten the City goal. 2) Rooney aside, Welbeck and Valencia have been our two most effective attacking players in recent weeks and yet both were mysteriously dropped to the bench, ensuring that Nani and Rooney were hopelessly out numbered and isolated, as City’s superior midfield took control. Even Ashley Young, as frustrating as he can be at times, is capable of giving teams the kind of head ache that Park is not technically fitted enough to create. I absolutely agree with a lot of the points being made on here. It’s not that we have poor players, or players not up to standard; it’s just that their roles are being changed every week as the line up is changed and the formation and tactical approach tweeked. We have no playing identity; no set system; no familiar approach that all the players are familiar with. We haven’t played on the back foot like that all season long, so what on earth possessed us to set up so defensively with players who, in some cases, haven’t played in three months? I was irritated and disappointed by the whole performance because it basically highlighted every flaw this squad has.
We dont have a maturing Rooney Ronaldo as we did last time we had a slump, even with them we added so much to the team in the transfer market. We have to get potential top class players, value shit wont cut it anymore or publically lower our ambitions.
three things i'm feeling today post-match: 1. i'm more pissed off about that loss to Everton than i am about our loss yesterday. we threw that game away last weekend. to me, that could be the title. 2. Valencia and Welbeck/Young should have started. in the past couple of seasons our formation yesterday would have worked but this season - again - the formation got us in trouble. 3. Newcastle can take points off and we can beat Swansea. i'm dreaming of a 2-0 loss and a 7-0 win. have faith [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcz_kDCBTBk"]Kevin Garnett "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" - YouTube[/ame]