MLS TV Ratings

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  1. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    We didn't even have YouTube...:)
     
  2. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Not sure if you're asking in good faith or not--let's be honest, the snobbery goes in both directions--but I'll offer up a good faith answer.

    I have full season tickets for the Rapids and enjoy seeing the games in person. As for tv, I don't watch that many MLS games involving neutrals...I'll tend to watch baseball (a sport I've followed closely for years) and soccer from other leagues if a choice needs to be made.

    The reason is that for the most part I find games from the other soccer leagues to be more entertaining. In some cases, it has to do with greater familiarity with those teams and leagues than with neutral MLS teams--I've been watching them more than the neutral MLS teams. For the most part though, I find the level of play to be far better, I like the standard of reffing more (less contact is allowed) and thus for me, the games are more entertaining.

    I don't see why so many find this to be difficult to understand and feel the need to posit less palatable motives. People like this fellow:

    seem to think the difference between MLS and other leagues is just branding or popularity. I don't know what to say about that other than I disagree, and so do plenty of other soccer fans.

    As for people who are soccer fans but don't go the game frequently, well, Americans do seem to do most of their sports viewing via the tv.
     
  3. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    The reason MLS has such a small reach is simple.

    It only exists in 16 US markets, some of which are very small like Portland, Salt Lake and Columbus.

    The entire SE quarter of the country has no reason to follow MLS. These are significant states like Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and North Carolina. The far North is also not represented ... Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. The SW also unrepresented, especially Arizona.

    Those are the problems with where MLS isn't. Now let's analyze the problems with where MLS is. Namely New York and New England. I don't want to get into an argument here, but it's hard to dispute that those 2 clubs have not succeeded tapping into two metro areas that should be nr. 1 and nr. 2 in the country for soccer fans. For whatever reason MLS screwed the pooch in the 2 markets that should be the driving force for MLS ratings.
     
  4. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    It actually only is in 15 US markets (16 US teams, but Los Angeles has two teams).
     
  5. MUTINYFAN

    MUTINYFAN Member

    Apr 18, 1999
    Orlando
    I also think that injuries to exciting players like Zakuani and Ferreira do not help either. Also the expansion IMHO has caused a dilution of talent. I do not see the talent level as any better as too many players remain in MLS who are not first division quality. Also we need to get better quality Brazilian and Argentine players. Some MLS games I've seen this year are unwatchable.
     
  6. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. Bremas

    Bremas Member

    Sep 30, 2009
    Agree with him also. Don't know the details of the contracts and why they aren't flexible.

    In reality though, I was just happy that most of the games this season will be in 'full' stadiums. Am hoping that 'flexibility' is on the horizon soon.
     
  8. IndyMac

    IndyMac Member

    Nov 2, 2008
    Evansville, Indiana
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like someone else has figured out that MLS isn't the NFL. Honestly, this is how all the NBA, NHL and MLB national TV deals work. Comparing anything about MLS to the NFL is just idiotic. My only real complaint about the current national TV deals is that their is not constancy to the scheduling. The games are on different days at different times every week.
     
  9. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They tried that with Thursday night and the ratings/attendance sucked. It would be awesome if MLS had a Saturday night game every week, but for now Thursday is probably the best they're gonna do as a "steady" night.
     
  10. triplet1

    triplet1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 25, 2006
    Which is part of the reason they've picked these games, I'm sure, but Kansas City has enjoyed full stadiums for awhile now too.

    What Philadelphia also has, however, is strong local viewership. The teams with the best local TV ratings are (in order) Seattle, LA and Philly.

    http://www.ussoccerplayers.com/ussoccerplayers/2011/10/mls-and-local-television.html

    I don't know where RSL and Kansas City fall in that order, but, again, they are two of three smallest Nielsen markets in the league (KC is 31, Columbus 32 and Salt Lake City is 33).

    http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/.../tv/nielsen-2012-local-DMA-TV-penetration.pdf

    So, when the Salt Lake newspaper reporter wonders why broadcasters have chosen to put Philly and LA on TV so much despite their slow starts, the answer is pretty simple IMO -- they think they'll get more people to watch because they have strong local TV markets.

    And right now, that's probably more telling then the the teams' records in an early season game.
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's wrong when he says this though:

    The local NFL game still trumps the "national" game on CBS and FOX. The Sunday night game is only flexible in the second half of the season and they still have to decide a week+ ahead of time.

    So when he asks the question:

    The answer would be "Only if it was scheduled for Sunday or Monday night before the season started or if the local team in your market isn't playing at the same time Sunday afternoon as that game".

    And that's the NFL, the most popular league in the country and one of the most successful leagues in the world. If the Cardinals were set to play the Yankees as the leading teams at the 40% mark of the season on a Thursday night that game isn't on national TV.
     
  12. tk421

    tk421 Member

    Aug 11, 2007
    New York, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
  14. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Number of suicide cases just went up by 56%..:mad:
     
  15. Twix1138

    Twix1138 Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    Still doesn't make me happy about the ESPN ratings. Overall this year could be a big drop in viewership if the ESPN1 ratings don't go up.
     
  16. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NBCSN is in not quite twice as many TV households, isn't it?

    Still, good news. More eyeballs is good news.

    I just wish NBC would quit calling it "The MLS."
     
  17. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude, it's April 17. Chill.
     
  19. Twix1138

    Twix1138 Member

    Jul 9, 2010
  20. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would you think that?
     
  21. Twix1138

    Twix1138 Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    Because ESPN has more reach than ESPN deportes?
     
  22. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Meh. Just goes and proves that if you tripled the cap and started spending like crazy it doesn't mean that you will all of a sudden get huge viewing numbers. Despite the fact that there were zero household names in that game it still pulled half the English audience that a game with Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta did.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reach is one thing. But only one thing.

    The demographics of the country and of the international soccer fan in this country are another.

    ESPN Deportes does really, really well within the demographic its aimed at, despite having far less penetration than ESPN's primary channel.
     
  24. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    And 139,000 for the game itself.
     

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