18 for London

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by pwip, Jul 2, 2011.

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  1. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    No one here said that US youth development by itself is as good as Mexico's youth development.

    No one.
     
  2. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    Our youth development was never even come close to Mexico's youth development yet we were able to produced Dempsey, Donovan. The Mexican may have a ton of depth but they have no one that is clearly better than those 2 guys at that age group.
     
  3. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    Although they have a ton of depth, I will put my US starting XI (without the German Americans) on par with any starting XI that the Mexican has right now:

    ----------------Howard----------------
    Dolo-----Gooch-------Boca-----Lichaj
    -------Bradley----------Holden-------
    Donovan-------------------Shea/Beaz
    ---------------Dempsey---------------
    ----------------Altidore----------------
     
  4. JAV7

    JAV7 Member

    Jun 2, 2009
    California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For a country where Soccer is the 4th or 5h favorite sport. I think we are just doing fine with our youth development. All those other countries thats all they do, breathe, eat, sleep, and shit soccer. What scares them is that we are getting better by the day.
     
  5. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Josh Gatt is gonna be taking Donovan's place when he retires.
     
  6. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you think Junior Flores is gonna be as good if not better than Gio Dos Santos?
     
  7. JAV7

    JAV7 Member

    Jun 2, 2009
    California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He is very young and you just dont know development will stall or not. I guess it all depends where he goes after the U-17. He he looked pretty good in the tournament last December.
     
  8. StrikerX4

    StrikerX4 Member

    Jun 16, 2011
    Lawrence, NJ
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes! The growth and development of our youth program continues to accelerate, and while we clearly have a long way to go, no one can doubt that we have already come a long way. And we have come this far without great great structure and organization. Now, we have a conscious effort to integrate vertically in the US side, and the MLS is making a sincere effort to develop talent as well. So as far as we have come in the last 20 years, I would hope that the next 20 years would be even more productive.
     
  9. JAV7

    JAV7 Member

    Jun 2, 2009
    California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If im not mistaking both Dos Santos Brothers spent their youth acadamies at Barcelona.
     
  10. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was talking about how good Gio was when he was a teenager.
     
  11. JAV7

    JAV7 Member

    Jun 2, 2009
    California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For what i can remember, i would give the edge to Flores. Of course i am a little bias because I got for everything USA
     
  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    That's an impossible comparison because we haven't seen enough of Flores to make any kind of determination.

    It's like saying Gatt's the next Donovan............when in about a year Donovan will be the only player in the HISTORY of world football to have 50 international goals, 50 international assists, and 150 caps. Let me repeat that. The only player in the HISTORY of world football.............

    If Gatt's the next Donovan, he better get started.

    [And to think Donovan's career almost ended when an alligator almost bit his foot off in Bradenton. One of the big "what if's" of US soccer history.]
     
  13. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alligator what?????
     
  14. CapeCodFutbol

    CapeCodFutbol Member

    Nov 20, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They did, and Gio won the U-17 World Cup, bagging silver ball honors. It's a futile exercise to compare them, let's just hope that Flores develops into something without worrying about where he stacks up against other Fed's players at this point.

    Incidentally, Jona enjoys a better reputation at Barcelona than Gio did.
     
  15. CapeCodFutbol

    CapeCodFutbol Member

    Nov 20, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. shadrach

    shadrach Goldenchild

    Jan 19, 2002
    quit being nosy...
    True. And I didn't accuse you of that. The conversation was initially about youth players, not development. However, you tried to bridge the gap between our youth development and Mexico's by including Germany's youth development with ours. That was the point I took issue with you on. So let's not switch this up and make it out to be something different.
     
  18. YanksAreComing

    Mar 1, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How on earth is that Donovan/alligator story not more well known??????

    That is insane.
     
  19. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    since there is not much happening today with the U23 I decided to come up with my updated 18 list.

    1. overage player (probably a LB)
    2. overage player (probably a CB)
    3. overage player (depending on how good/bad we look in qualifiers)

    4. Hamid
    5. Johnson

    6. Altidore
    7. D.Williams
    8. Chandler
    9. Morales

    10. Shea
    11. Agudelo
    12. Gyau
    13. Boyd

    14. Mixx
    15. Gatt

    16. Opara
    17. Adu
    18. Kitchen

    The first group (1-3) are players that in theory should be better than any U23.
    the selection of these 3 will determine the pecking order of the rest of the players specially the 16-18 players.

    The second group (4-5) are our golies, I would be surprise if there is a change.

    The third group (6-9) are 1st team players, these players can play multiple positions, except for Altidore. Again, if any of these players don't come in because of club pressure, selection will cascade to the next two levels.

    The fourth group (10-13) these are our forwards, they are the game changers, specially if our defense is not our strongest. If Agudelo plays the 10 in any qualifier games look for Corona and/or Adu to be in danger of not making the list.

    The fifth group (14-15) Mixx is probably a lock to start, in reality he is the only true 8 in this roster, would Porter notice this and maybe use an overage player for help? Gatt, can play any position in the right side, this gives Porter the option to move Chandler to the left if he can not get a first tier help for the LB position.

    The sixth group (16-18) Opara at 6'2 and his quickness gives him a good chance to make the roster. I just don't see Porter going with 3 overage players in defense which is the only way Opara would miss the cut. The addition of Gatt as a backup LF it pushes Adu to become a #10 player only, he needs to show an all around game (defense/offense/setup) to beat out Corona, which Corona seems to be the better player at defense and setup. Kitchen selection is based on being able to play more than one position and playing for Porter in collegue doesn't hurt. The emergence of Morales as a #6 kind of makes Kitchen a redundant player, If Corona makes it is will probably be at the expense of Kitchen.

    The one player that I just don't see making it to the final 18 is Okugo, with Williams and Morales in the roster it makes it tough for him to make it. Of course things can change if Porter's overage players ended up being Donovan and Dempsey which I think it would be a grave mistake if he goes that route.
     
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  20. Konut

    Konut Member+

    May 31, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good analysis. The main point i draw from it is how probable one of Adu or Corona is going to get cut. I guess it shows how good our depth is.

    I've said this before, but I think it would be good if one of Donovan or Dempsey makes the roster to be used as a super sub rather than a starter. I think it's important that this age group gels and plays together in an important tournament without the feeling of "get this guy the ball, because he's clearly our best player and leader." That said, Dempsey or Donovan could be the difference maker in an important game.
     
  21. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get the idea behind that... but I'd just as much like to have them playing with some of the current national team stars. It doesn't make sense to bring Donovan or Dempsey only to bring them on as a sub in games.
     
  22. izha

    izha Member

    May 24, 2002
    This is such a wonderful idea. " Hey Landon and Clint run here. You need to flip a coin, the lucky one becomes Adu's back up". I'd really love to hear their responses. From far away.
     
  23. Konut

    Konut Member+

    May 31, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I can see that line of thought actually since it would be Adu or Corona's spot that one of them would probably take. A line up like this could be really dangerous.

    -----------Altidore-----------
    Shea--------------------Gyau
    -----------Dempsey----------
    ----------Mix--Morales--------
    Johnson-Williams-Onyewu-Chandler
    ------------Hamid-------------
     
  24. El Michael

    El Michael Member

    Dec 17, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    great job with the list

    1. agree on LB... Johnson
    2. CB.. Ream had the mo..
    3. one of these 3 Landon, Clint or Mikey...I'll go with Bradley
     
  25. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When people are predicting overage players, are they even taking into consideration who will be released?

    How does anyone expect Hoffenheim to release Fabian Johnson? Especially when the US will attempt to get Williams (who is age eligible). Even if it's during the preseason, Hoff aren't going to want to have two starters gone
     

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