Revs - BC Scrimmage

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  1. KapeGuy

    KapeGuy Member+

    Mar 21, 2010
    Cape Cod
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. If Schilawski is our go-to guy and if we live and die by his production, then please save me a seat on the NNN bus.

    But I expect that either (a) Heaps will have him as our 3rd or 4th or 5th striker -- or (b) Heaps puts him in a situation to succeed and we find out he is better than we think.

    I'd love it to be (b) but I'm betting on (a).
     
  2. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're assuming we'll have depth. The Moreno loan has fallen through and he was supposedly "the guy" to pair Schilawski up top (since we don't have anyone else). My prediction: Heaps will start Schilawski from day 1 up top convinced if Schilawski got more playing time with a different cast of characters and revised tactics he would produce more. However, Schilawski will play often and still not produce, thus confirming our belief that he is average or worse than we think. In effect it will be a giant waste of time to include Zack Schilawski on the roster; he's not a MLS caliber forward.
     
  3. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not only this, but LA started the season playing college/amateur teams as well. It's pretty typical. Houston started the season with a game against their U18 team.
     
  4. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Schilawski did have an assist
     
  5. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kelyn Rowe had 2 goals. Shouldn't that be the opposite?
     
  6. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmm maybe you're right, we're basically a college/ semi-pro team so it's a good match ;)
     
  7. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair to Schilawski, I look at Chris Wondolowski and see that he had 7 goals total in his first 5 years in MLS before breaking out with 18 goals in 2010.

    Granted, Wondo is probably a one in a million situation. Maybe it's a Polish thing...
     
  8. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I suggest you familiarize yourself with the talent coming into other MLS teams. Cardenas and Lozano would be afterthoughts on a lot of teams. And do you expect Rowe to be a star right out of the gate? Top 5 at whatever position he plays?
     
  9. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Conjecture

    Not top 5, but one of the top 20 attackers in the league, yes.
     
  10. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't your saying they're already better than what we had last year ... conjecture?
     
  11. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly! These are all just opinions.
     
  12. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Sure. Conjecture based on other players being much more successful and coveted. But feel free to pretend Jay Heaps (who has done exactly no professional scouting before this winter) found two studs that other MLS teams missed. Neither Lozano nor Cardenas come to the Revs with a reputation or history of being impact players. And that's not conjecture.

    So is he a striker now? Or is he a wing? Or is he a CAM? Or are you throwing all of those into a pile and then insisting Rowe will be top 20? If it's the latter, the you are basically expecting him to be a star from day one. In fact that would make him just about the best rookie player to come along in recent years. Most rookies require some adjustment time, even the really good ones.
     
  13. KapeGuy

    KapeGuy Member+

    Mar 21, 2010
    Cape Cod
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not assuming anything. . . just looking at the lineup so far (and admitting that is not a lot to go on). Heaps so far has had Schilawski behind Cardenas, Roach, Smith and Nyassi at striker. I am guessing that Fagundez also may be ahead of Schilaswki. So other than the Schilawski article by Lemieux on the website, I don't see any sign that Heaps has Schilawski as anything but a 3rd or 4th option.

    I doubt Schilawski will be in the line-up opening day. I think it is more likely that we'll have a newly-signed veteran paired with Cardenas . . . but I don't think that all that likely either (insert Turkish striker/Pepe Moreno joke here). I'd guess it'll be Cardenas paired with Nyassi or Smith.

    btw, anyone know what Nyassi's injury was yesterday?
     
  14. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If by "not impact players" you mean two of the most promising players on one of the most renowned clubs in South America, then yes.

    Lozano is comparable to Olave when it comes to talent level. Cardenas is younger and less established, but should prove to be a good attacking player.

    Attacker = attacking midfielder (CAM or winger)

    Yes, I expect Rowe to be one of the best rookies in years. I expect him to have more of an impact than Mattocks or Wenger in his rookie season.
     
  15. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    conjecture
     
  16. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    conjecture
     
  17. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    conjecture

    conjecture

    conjecture
     
  18. idiot wind

    idiot wind Member

    Mar 12, 2004
    I think the team will play better than last year because they got rid of Nicol. He had grown stale, unhappy, and ineffective. Many of the younger players had failed to respond to his stern style and lost confidence. We played with hesitancy and uncertainty.

    Heaps is an optimist and motivator type. A rah-rah guy. A salesman. Lifting the burden Nicol placed on the club probably will be beneficial in the short term. Heaps will replace it with "positive energy and belief". That alone should help, though it likely will be insufficent.

    Unfortunately, Heaps' optimism likely ruins his objectivity when deciding where he has to upgrade. Indeed, how do you upgrade a position without downgrading the confidence of the player who already holds it? Doing so disrupts Heaps' entire coaching plan. I'll bet this is a major factor why we have not brought in many veteran players.

    My fear with Heaps is that as a player he always seemed to overestimate his ability. I expect that as a coach the same is happening now. I expect to see the team play with energy and exceed expectations early on, then come crashing down as reality (and lack of depth) catches up with them. At that point the team will bring in some sorely needed veteran foreign talent, but veteran talent is easily jaded and I think Heaps will have to show more ability as a tactician than a motivator or the team will quit on him as well.
     
  19. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    I'm of the conjecturable opinion that this team is worse than last year. They have still not answered two of the biggest holes from last year (striker and left back). The centerback could be an upgrade, but we don't know. They lost three of their best attackers (Zerka, Lekic and Caraglio) and replaced them with a rookie, and unknown South American and...well no one.
     
  20. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ahem...

     
  21. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Locker room speeches won't make up for the fact that most of the players on this roster are below MLS caliber.
     
  22. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    So, what was the point in calling him out other than to be a dick?

    He made a fairly legit assessment of the quality of Cardenas and Lozano as compared to the other South Americans coming into MLS. While we may not know whether or not they will be better or worse in MLS, we do know that up until now, they haven't been as good as the others.
     
  23. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Lozano got a job at America during a phase when the quality on that team took a nosedive. He's not young and no one in Colombia would call him "promising." If he were to stay in Colombia he'd be trying to prove he's a CD capable of anchoring a good team (something he has not done to date).

    You are completely out of your mind if you think that. Aside from everything else, Olave is one of the most physically imposing players around. His size, speed, jumping ability, power and general explosiveness are off the charts.

    Why? Because he has a Hispanic surname? I'm not saying he won't work out, but I'd like some evidence or reasoning behind the flat assertion that he's going to succeed in MLS.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Why? Did you think that going into the draft? If the Revs had drafted Chandler Hoffman instead, would you now be banging your keyboard with frustration over having passed on Rowe? Or would you be saying the same things about Hoffman?
     
  24. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think he's similar to Olave, I said similar in quality (as good as). And he could get work at another team in the Columbia first division, easily. He has demonstrated his ability to hold down a back line, especially at Deportivo Pereira.

    No, from what I've seen and heard of him. His highlights, the games I've seen, what my Columbian friend/former roommate said.

    Yes. I thought that going into the draft. Rowe and Wenger were the most MLS-ready of the bunch. However, I don't think Wenger will play as much due to the fact that he's still in school taking classes, and won't being joining Montreal full time until this summer.
     
  25. cml1394

    cml1394 Member

    Apr 5, 2010
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My definition of a target man is a center forward who's usually strong and instead of trying to run in behind the defense checks back and gives the midfield an outlet to aim at. Isn't Huntelaar a poacher who makes darting runs towards goal more often than not? And Lewandoski is far too dymanic a player to be labelled as a target man IMO.
     

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