Situation at striker

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  1. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Really? What things did they do to help the franchise?
     
  2. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    One quick thing on seeking a pound of flesh from Once Caldas, I once was told by a corporate attorney who has done a considerable amount of contract work in South America that you can be right on a given issue and have the paper trail to prove it, but that does not necessarily gain you anything. I would think that's especially true in the sketchy business of professional soccer.
     
  3. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Remember, if they try and go after Once Caldas for this, they’d have to pay their lawyers more money. Better to just ignore it and move on and try and find someone else.
     
  4. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anybody remember what Chicago gave us in compensation when that ********wit Peter Nowak decided (only after being traded) he'd rather retire than play in New England?
     
  5. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, they wouldn't. This was an international loan. Paperwork was presumably filed with FIFA. FIFA doesn't like this funny business that goes on in the international transfer market.

    You don't need to threaten with serious legal action, this doesn't need to be a legal battle. FIFA holds the upper hand and their threats aren't legal, but rather soccer related (bans, sanctions)
     
  6. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    FIFA's well practiced at looking the other way on these matters. Far from not liking funny business, it is the kingpin of an international funny business cartel. Once places a call to CONMEBOL President Nicolas Leoz (a naturalized Colombian citizen), he leans on FIFA, the whole thing gets swept under the rug.

    You might as well seek justice from the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.
     
  7. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FIFA, corrupt? No Waaaaayyyy.
     
  8. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think you fully understand the situation.

    Right now, Moreno is registered to play in the states. He isn't registered to play in Columbia. If he plays in Columbia, he could face a life ban from FIFA competitions. It's really that simple.

    Once Caldas is probably hoping to hold out, waiting for the Revs to release him from his loan. However, until he's released, they won't dare play him in any competitions. So the Revs can just hold his contract for the next year, and he won't be able to play, unless of course, Once Caldas compensate the Revs.

    Do you really think Moreno is willing to forgo play in competitions until January 2013, or do you really think he, as an individual, has that much pull with the head of CONMEBOL?
     
  9. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ya, we hold his feet to the fire and then NOBODY would ever want to sign on the dotted line with the Krafty ones! :eek:
     
  10. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
    Club:
    Stade Brestois 29
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They had their catcher's mitt on when the FL clubs folded. An example of KIASB brilliance! :p
     
  11. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Once Caldas's 2nd string left back is bound to be better than anything we have at the moment, maybe we demand him on a free loan as payment for our troubles, let Moreno go, and go get ourselves a REAL striker or two in their prime somewhere else, not a random journeyman like Pepe Moreno.

    Teams in Colombia are talent-rich but cash poor and we can still figure out a way to make this work in our favor with a player.

    Any fine they might pay us would simply wind up in the same vault with the Dempsey Allocation. That money would never see the field.
     
  12. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It can't get much worse than it is now :p

    But seriously, he signed a contract. When you sign a contract, you fulfill it. I don't think anyone would look down at the Revs for something like this. Chances are, Revs call Once Caldas' bluff and he either comes here, or we get compensated.
     
  13. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would actually relish watching that play out, if I knew there were no chances for repercussions down the road! ;)
     
  14. Tea Men Tom

    Tea Men Tom Member

    Feb 14, 2001
    Honestly even if the Revs are a tax writeoff, the incompetents running this team are damaging the Kraft brand...which is that of successful business people and successful business operations. If I were the Papa or Jonathan Kraft THAT ALONE would have justified showing Burns the door - last season.

    Why this hasn't happened yet is just a head scratcher....

    There's nothing new going on here...Revs management continues to not just under-perform...it's failing...badly.
     
  15. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nothing with pro soccer is ever simple. Players and teams manage to wriggle out of ironclad agreements all the time. For instance, CONMEBOL and CONCACAF could both declare the loan null and void based on some technicality and then, bam, Moreno's registered in Colombia again.

    I think its naive to believe that this is a non-manipulable situation. Now maybe the Revs can demand recompense and receive it, but that will require them to do a better job of playing the inside game than Once Caldas.

    More trouble than it's worth if you ask me. Makes a lot more sense to work a back room arrangement with Once to loan out some promising kids in the coming years.
     
  16. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    I think none of us know what is going to happen.
     
  17. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem is, although MLS -I feel- is on the cusp of some watershed years, we are not quite there yet. This means the critical mass is not there yet. There are not enough people who care in a way which would damage the perception of Kraft and therefore hurt his reputation. I know this is true as his persona, at the moment, is that of a saint. Oh, he's great MHK, etc. Even when I try to point out to friends and relatives that he's a lout of an MLS owner, they look at me as if I have lobsters crawling out of my ears. It's a decidedly disdainful look too. And the response is always, Who Cares about the Revs?! So, Krafty has many proponents and defenders. We are in the minority and we are on the wrong side of the Zeitgeist.
     
  18. CenterForward

    CenterForward Member

    Feb 21, 2011
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like we are giving former DCU forward Blake Brettschneider a trial:

    https://twitter.com/#!/blakebrett11
     
  19. cml1394

    cml1394 Member

    Apr 5, 2010
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't see him play much last year but I've heard he showed some promise, so that hopefully means he'll keep Schilawski where he belongs if we sign him despite the small forward pool.

    On a side note it's sad that the main criteria for potential incoming forwards is to be better than Schilawski, our current starting forward. Really, really sad.
     
  20. idiot wind

    idiot wind Member

    Mar 12, 2004
    Setting myself up for ridicule, but is Joseph Ngwenya floating around after DCU dumped him?. I watched him play in the PDL a decade ago and liked him. He obviously never made it with a slew of MLS teams, but I still think he is better than anybody else we have at the moment.
     
  21. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like slapping a bandaid on a compound fracture
     
  22. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More like cutting off your leg because you have a paper cut on your finger. And then putting a bandaid on your leg.

    Actually, that's the Revs offseason so far.
     
  23. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Finally....finally....one small gesture this offseason that makes sense.

    For my money, Brettschneider > Schilawski and probably a little cheaper, too.
     
  24. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not saying MFLS ratings are accurate, but just for fun, I took the top rated (by salary) forward for each team.

    Guess who came in last?

    CHI - Oduro 170
    CHV - Angel 270
    COL - Cummings 240
    CMB - Reneteria 155
    DAL - Perez 200
    DCU - Salihi 300
    HOU - Kandji 150
    SKC - Kamara 180
    LAG - Keane 335
    PHI - Martinez 170
    POR - Boyd 335
    RNY - Henry 335
    RSL - Saborio 250
    SJE - Wondolowski 300
    SEA - Montero 335
    TOR - Koevermans 240
    VAN - Hassli 300
    MON - Ching 160

    The Revs top rated forward is a midfielder:
    Cardenas 130

    followed by two guys who probably won't play for us:
    Moreno 123
    Jaqua 120

    leaving us with:
    Fagundez 100
    Schilawski 100

    It's gonna be a long year...
     

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