Scoring is AZ: Jozy at Alkmaar

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, Aug 30, 2011.

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  1. he so scrumptiouz

    Jun 1, 2006
    amsterdam
    Keyphrase might be "laconiek" from the voice-over which translates to indifference.

    The underscore "Jozy Altidore wil zijn plek als AZ-targetman heroveren en vertelt over zijn achtergrond.".. reads as Jozy wants to reclaim his spot and tells about his background, so they are assuming/stating that he has lost his place to Benschop.
     
  2. Balls of Fire

    Balls of Fire Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    It's still his best season abroad and hopefully he can keep it going.
     
  3. Tardis

    Tardis New Member

    Jan 15, 2012
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    You think jurgen might not call in Altidore if he werent starting?
     
  4. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPrBS3Bz5vQ"]Theo Janssen wordt te kijk gezet door Maarten Martens - YouTube[/ame]
     
  5. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Grow up.
     
  7. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We don't point it out as much anymore (for good reason), but its his finest season abroad, and probably of his career overall, and he's still only 22. We're saying the same thing about Dempsey's season and he is about to turn 29.

    There have been rumors and reports of fitness and work ethic issues in the past. The outlook wasn't so rosy for Dempsey either with the way he left MLS.

    If Jozy can learn and develop even half as well as Dempsey has, we'll continue to see more and more good things out of him.
     
  8. Agudelo_for_MVP

    Agudelo_for_MVP BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jan 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    You can ignore it all you want, but Jozy is their best striker. It would be like if Manchester United benched Rooney because he wasn't "trying hard enough in practice." The guy that replaced Jozy in the starting lineup barely knows how to kick a soccer ball. He just is fast and has no skill at all. I have watched him play quite a few times. The coach is a self ego stroking d-bag because he cares more about trying to prove a point than winning.
     
  9. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One, MU did bench Rooney for 1 game this year beecause of poor practice.

    Two, while he is their best striker, there is nothing wrong with the coach benching him, as long as he is given the opportunity to get his spot back, which he is being given since he's averaging over 20 min a game as a sub the last 2 games.
     
  10. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hyperbole much?
     
  11. Agudelo_for_MVP

    Agudelo_for_MVP BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jan 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    20 min a game? Are you kidding me? Thats not something to be proud of. If they want to lose games, then don't play Jozy. Its as simple as that.
     
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  12. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a sub, getting in every game is an accomplishment. It means he has a chance to win his spot back.
     
  13. juniorLA

    juniorLA Member

    Mar 4, 2008
    El Lay
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is now the part where we're supposed to guess which blood relative of Jozy you are? I'll go with: a cousin?
     
  14. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    berbatov
     
  15. elvinjones

    elvinjones Member

    Jul 4, 2011
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, at least we can all agree that this is a big disappointment, knowing that there's a possibility that he'll finish out the season as a sub.
     
  16. Dutch Treat

    Dutch Treat Member

    May 6, 2005
    Amsterdam|Alphen a/d Rijn
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    All this stuff being said is too dramatic. There's nothing negative about this situation. This is a coach that is seeing potential in a player who is not living up to it. Be grateful. There's no room for complacency here.
    All the coach is doing is trying to trigger him while instead he could let him start every single game letting him think he's already there.

    You want development? Here it is. Noone is bigger than the team and the system. If he wants to play he needs to learn to do what is asked of him. It's really that simple.

    And this talk about the coach having a revolution against him while at Feyenoord, well let's just say he wasn't the only coach who had to go through that experience. It's not unusual over here for player groups to speak out and revolt. We're actually quite known for it.
     
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  17. Jozy has to accommodate to the 4-3-3 style and he hasnot been developing his tactical skills before he came to AZ as is apparant from several decisions he made on the pitch.
    The problem signalled by the coach and analists is that he doesnot tactically connect with his team mates level, thus leading to attacks grinding to a halt.
    That's not a drama, but it makes clear that Jozy has to put in both a physical as a mental/intellectual efforts to be the striker AZ is looking for.

    Remember Mike Bradley. At the end of the season before he unleashed himself he played in the play offs for Heerenveen and when you look up what I wrote then, Mike was terrible from a tactical point of view, but he played as the coach at that time had no other options because of injuries.
    Mike must have studied the DVD's of his matches thoroughly, as he was far better tactically in the next season, resulting in his bright season.

    So Jozy has to study his matches with the AZ striker coach to take him to the tactical level AZ requires.
    You must understand that in the Netherlands the players are soaked in 4-3-3 tactics from a young age and every foreign player has to adapt to it, which takes time depending on how you have been coached in the time before.
     
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  18. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax


    If you, the coaches or the analysts honestly think Jozy has been grinding their attacks to halts at an abnormal rate higher than the rest of the team, I have a canal to sell you in Panama.

    Stop pretending Verbeek does not do this with many players at every job he's ever had. If we want to go into tactical and technical comparisons, Benschop is a straight donkey with one speed. Yes, Altidore has things to learn still, but he has also learned plenty already and is certainly no dead weight to that team, who I may remind you built a league lead with him playing every game.
     
  19. SoccerBiz

    SoccerBiz Member

    Nov 17, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When Jozy played, AZ won, that much is clear. I will be very interested to see how the results start stacking up with him as a sub. I have a hunch that they will not have as impressive of a second half. I hope I am wrong for the clubs sake.
     
  20. Balls of Fire

    Balls of Fire Member

    Oct 16, 2007
    AZ are very deep and will do fine. Jozy's situation is better than it's ever been. Better than Villareal, better than Hull. This is his level now. I have confidence he will excel. It won't happen overnight. He's already a better striker than he was 6 months ago.
     


  21. Where am I pretending he doesnot do that to others? He does it, because he's in the business of improving players. Overhere in the Netherlands most coaches are busy improving players as contrasted to the other leagues where the coaches expect you to be the full product. They arenot in the business of improving players, but in the business of surviving themselves and that's the wrong choice Jozy made from the start of. He went to coaches that donot improve you.
    And please donot put your own invented words in my mouth. Dead weight is something different from making wrong choices in an attack, that stop the fluidity of the attack. Jan van Halst had an excellent example where he showed how the wrong move forward in stead of coming back towards the player with the ball closed up all the options that were available.
    And I didnot say he didnot learn anything, but that what he has isnot yet good enough to make him fit in with the rest of the team. The numbers of the ratings speak for themselves.
    Benschop is unfortunately the same breed of player like Jozy, a 4-4-2 man.
     
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  22. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax

    1 - You cannot be serious. The ratings are gospel? Jan van Halst could easily show examples of every other player taking a wrong step. Give me a break.

    2 - Oh dear sweet Moses. Is that what passes for analysis?
     
  23. 1: Yes he could and he did time after time. But that is hardly relevant as we are here discussing Jozy and his progress. o
    2:In the AD Sportwereld, of which I provided the link in here, Jozy and Benschop were quoted to long for the opportunity to play in a two men attack (at AZ I presume). So both are well aware of that fact that you dismiss as a socalled analysis.

    In an interview last thursday Benschop said that he was rather late in playing soccer at a high level. That resulted in him being behind compared to players that were coached at high level. And he never played 4-3-3 like at AZ before.
    So that puts him at the same disadvantage like Jozy, they both have the same hurdles to jump.
    It is a strange reaction I see, that with Jozy being out of the firts line up and on the bench, the conclusion is that he is on the way out/down. He is still being coached to become better and far from being neglegted.
     
  24. drumline123

    drumline123 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    word on the street is that little club from spain that wanted altidore. El granada are back. trying to get altidore according to twitter. another bs story but i like reporting them. :cool:
     
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  25. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    1 - It is relevant because you're pretending Jozy is the fly in the works, when this is as you admit common all the way around.

    2 - What he wants is not the issue. Jozy can play #9 in a 4-3-3, he's done it all season. Benschop can run by people onto lead passes - that's about it.

    3 - Erm, this does not put him in the same boat as Jozy, who started in the EPL at 19, having already played in MLS, Spain and internationals.

    4 - That is my point exactly. Verbeek wants to keep him fresh and make him grab the place back, that's all. It's nothing horrific.


    FYI: Jozy starts on the bench again today.
     

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