Who's In Charge Here? - The New Ajax [R]

Looks pretty fake.

Still, I think the whole thing warrants an investigation, but we'll never get one. UEFA pretends to want to weed this sort of thing out, but they only care about anything when it gets big enough to hurt their image and this isn't one of those things.

 

and this is from marca.com
the most pro-Real Madrid site in Spain

 

I have seen highlights of that one. Where is the other controversial call? I am just curious to see.

I am also curious about where the desperation was for Ajax in that 2nd half. Go out guns a blazing

 

Well Platini does everything to let his countrymen through, even if it has to be this obvious.
We get two goals disallowed by the (Portuguese) refs.
What do they expect from us, score 5 legitimate goals against Real Madrid or something?

Next the 1-7..Croatian player winking at Gomis after he scored a goal..next day a picture shows up of the same player coming out of a betting office.
A red card that isn't even worth a card.

The day before, Marseille had a sort of same strange escape, although it's going too far to accuse them of something, it wasn't really obvious but together with the Lyon drama...

When you are thinking of things not going the honest way you'll soon get accused of making a conspiracy.
But why should we have 100% believe in the honesty of the UEFA or people with interests (money). What have they achieved to have our full belief in them? Because we personally are honest people?
It frustrates me that things like this will never come to light.
25 million going to France instead of going to us

 

I didn't see the first but the second seemed deserved, to me.

I hope I'm okay posting here, I really don't mean to be starting any fights. Because I am truly sorry for the obviously wrong decisions of the referee against Ajax. It does very much seem like Dinamo were not trying at all in the second half. It wasn't bad defending, it wasn't defending at all. Vida (the infamous winker) seemed like he just stepped away from Bafe and the ball at times. I also hope there will be an investigation (how likely is that?), and I also hope that Lyon had no improper involvement in the outcome of either of the matches.

 

Conspiracy or not, this is still Ajax's fault..... we can't blame anybody but our selves. Should've beaten Lyon TWICE, if not at least once.

 

It seems very unlikely to me that the match officials in the Madrid v Ajax game intentionally got those offsides calls wrong.

But the Lyon match stinks to high heaven. I doubt ANY European team in the last 50 years (and maybe ever) has scored 7 goals in 30 minutes in a top club competition or in a first division match.

Couple that with all the match fixing that's been taking place in Hungary, Turkey, etc, and I think you can be close to 100% certain that what we saw is another team fixing a match.

 

We can blame a lot of people as well as our selves.

 

You were the victim of the most blatant case of match fixing I have ever seen at the CL level. I'm actually surprised they were so blatant and careless! Even the biggest non-believers have to wonder a little bit based on what transpired in both games.

 

Yep, that's absolutely right. When the draw was made, it was generally agreed that the two matches vs. Lyon were supposed to be the decider. Both matches were winnable.. Ajax couldn't capitalize unfortunately.

I was impressed by Greg vd Wiel, probably the most obvious player in Ajax shirt who had hunger and was very determined to win. He pressed forward with a lot of intents. I hope he could sustain this good performance. Anita showed (again and again) that he was not suited at left back. And of course, having Blind along side him just made matter worse. Neither has defensive awareness required at this level. As it's been alluded by many others, Ebecilio had no business whatsoever anywhere on the pitch. I didn't recall one single good moment from him.

 

Wow, this hurt our coefficient points. Had Ajax gone through we would still be 3rd in points racked up this season, now we dropped to 8th. Let's assume we would have gotten a draw and a loss in the next round, we'll need to win 3 games in the EL to make up the loss, which means reaching the quarter finals pretty much. But we'll never know how far we could have gotten in the CL.

 

Everybody points at Zagreb...of course Zagreb has a 'not so clean history' when it comes to matchfixing, and the players on the field are the only ones who can really carry it out (together with the refs).

But why does nobody question the UEFA's (Platini) honesty. Is it because a Frenchmen is the president? I'm sure if the boss of UEFA would be an Eastern Blocker, the UEFA would be accused of matchfixing. The same with an African (although not possible).

It's because we are all having an ethnocentric view at the moment. Only people from bananarepublics are corrupt..Western Europe is not corrupt..We are not corrupt. We are civilized..blabla.

 

I agree we have not much chance in the 2nd round, but history has shown that we are cupfighters. We are better than Lyon at the moment, and better than Zagreb, doesn't matter how bad we are. Pity what happened but that's life.

 

Him getting his face kicked in for it... That would be life.

This was just a vukkup. Two vukkups.

 

Have you been living under a rock? Plenty of people accuse Platini and the UEFA of corruption. Even now some people believe it was Platini who somehow got Lyon to advance because he's French, but that is just completely unfounded speculation. It's true that curious results south of France or east of Germany are looked at with more suspicion, but there is some truth to a lot of stereotypes.

 

It was definitely Platini. Nevermind that Lille didnt go through and they just needed a 1-0 simple win to do so. And Platini was smart to rig 2 games and not just one to allow his former arch-enemy Lyon (from his playing days at St Etienne) to go through in the most conspicuous way possible with a 7 goal victory. Pretty clever that Platini.

 

yeah, is cool everything you say. didn't read, not going to, please go back to your own forum bye xx

 

Look I have nothing bad to say about Ajax and I think that they deserve to go through just as much as Lyon. But just wondering why you are convinced that IF there was a fix, that it was Platini who was involved? Seems a bit too obvious, with a 7 goal scoreline from Lyon.

If anything it would seem more likely that either it was a fluke game since Zagreb had nothing to play for and were a man down, or that the Zagreb players were bribed by a betting cartel.

 

I don't think that either Platini or Lyon are to blame, I have a feeling that if anything shady took place, it would be the betting cartels and Zagreb as you said. Maybe some Portuguese linesman as well.

Maybe there's nothing to look into at all, who knows? I don't know.
What I do know is that we'll probably never know for sure with the way UEFA works.

 

Soon we'll be blaming the wind for not blowing in the right direction. Ajax should win games such as the ones against Lyon.

Bad refereeing happens all the time. Injuries to good players happen to all teams. Constructive and nuanced criticism about our own team should be the focus here; all this conspiracy talk is just a distraction.