Rate The MLS Brands

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by futuregrace, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From Google:

    Seattle population: 563374
    New York population: 19,541,453
    10% of New York (1,954,145.3) is greater brand recognition than all of seattle knowing the sounders in terms of pure numbers. Plus even though they don't play in "New York" the name New York is the greatest brand you can have in the USA. It's why most DPs want to in the big cities because their city is part of the brand
     
  2. Jewelz510

    Jewelz510 Member+

    Feb 19, 2011
    Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    10% means they are insignificant in their own home market.

    People know New York.

    People know Red Bull.

    But people don't care about New York Red Bulls.
     
  3. futuregrace

    futuregrace Member

    Feb 23, 2002
    Manhattan, Kansas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You make interesting observation about what they want to know as, la world class and Portland genuine, passion.

    What do y'all think some of the other teams are looking to communicate? Personally I'd like to hear what Houston, Dallas and kc communicate about their brand
     
  4. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But we are talking about brand recognition which is not just for local market but worldwide unless you want to rephrase it as local brand. Local brand RBNY struggles relative to the size of its market, but their brand recognition in a larger scale is superior
     
  5. charlieblackmouth

    Feb 8, 2009
    South Ward
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wasn't serious :p
     
  6. Calexico77

    Calexico77 Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Mid-City LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I seriously can't believe you are still beating that dead horse. The Galaxy were the #1 draw in MLS prior to the Sounders arrival, and still are #2. They do this with almost zero focused marketing. They have plenty of impact in a metro area of over 10 million.
     
  7. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    What makes you think 10% of New Yorkers know that Red Bull is a soccer team?
     
  8. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point. I brought up Portland and LA because I'm familiar with them, they're both very successful and are very different strategies.

    I think it's too soon to see what KC is going for brand identity wise. Their market would dictate that they go more towards the Portland model, but maybe with a slightly difference emphasis. I haven't been to Livestrong yet but if I had to identify two words with the brand I would say "excitement" and "fun".

    I would identify Houston with quality and passion, but that's just me. It seems as though from the new stadium to the players there's a dedication to quality. Of course every club is TRYING to have quality but Houston seems to have dedication to it. So two words? "Dedication" and "quality".

    Dallas? Geez, I think I'll leave that to someone else. But I will say if you can't sum up a clubs brand in two or three words they're doing something wrong. Just my opinion!
     
  9. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Youth Development.

    What do I win?
     
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  10. Kayak

    Kayak Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Columbus
    Looking at thie from the local perspective.

    1. Portland Great market saturation might be the best in their home market; are they really losing anything to the Blazers?

    2. Salt Lake Again great market saturation, most likely just behind the Jazz; dead horse time, I’m still not a fan of Real but it’s not hurting them and their only competition has an odd name for the region as well.

    3. Seattle Really impressive market saturation especially when you consider what they’re up against. That said of course they’re still behind the Seahawks they are going toe to toe with the Mariners though.

    4. Houston Brand started hot due to winning, the stadium will be another bump this season, the market really has weak brands for its size. The Rockets are the strongest brand, the Astros are ok but they’ve been around for a long time and have never won anything I don’t think anyone really thinks of them when people think of power teams in baseball, the Texans are a power because they are an NFL team but brand wise they are the equivalent of FC Dallas so much there to work with but nothing special used other than just “hey we’re Texas.”

    5. Toronto Still a strong brand but we’ve been seeing chinks, even if they sell all of the tickets fans aren’t showing up to every game anymore, this can always be fixed with winning. I don’t know how much people care about Canadian football and they might do well compared to the Raptors and the Blue Jays but they are way behind the Leafs and always will be.

    6. Vancouver Look to be strong might move up or down over time, again I don’t know about Canadian Football but they are way behind the Canucks.

    7. DC Could crash and burn depending on the stadium situation but it is a brand with solid market penetration though sure they are behind the Redskins, Wizards, Capitals, and the Nationals.

    8. Philadelphia Sons of Ben look good time would move them up, they are obviously behind the Eagles, 76ers, Flyers and Phillies if support holds though they might challenge the big four in their market in the future.

    9. Los Angeles Sure they win, but I really don’t know that this team has captured the heart of their city; they are well behind the Lakers and Dodgers, I’d say they are behind the Angels, Kings and Ducks the Clippers are such a stepchild they might compete with them. They are also behind USC and UCLA while they may be universities have very strong sports brands.

    10. Chicago Good brand but well behind the Bears, Bulls and Cubs, certainly behind the Blackhawks and White Sox. Might be fighting the old MLS stereotype locally, would move up as improvements are made to getting more passionate fans in than casual families and soccer teams.

    11. Columbus Only behind the Blue Jackets because the local newspaper has a stake in the team even then not by a wide margin, Clippers got a boost from a new stadium, likely won’t last as time goes on. Remarkably far behind the Buckeyes Columbus is 98% Buckeyes and leaves 2% for everyone else to fight over.

    12. Kansas City So new can move up with time, why the Rapids just let them take their alternate kits I have no idea, looked good on Colorado away looks good on KC now. Sure they are behind the Chiefs but they could be in a fight with the Royals if they keep it up.

    13. San Jose This brand just needs some TLC and it will move up. They are behind the 49ers, Raiders, and Giants slightly behind the Sharks could maybe compete with the Athletics but seeing as they are owned by the same guy more effort will likely go to the Athletics than the Quakes.

    14. FC Dallas The Brand is just “hey we’re Texas” that’s a loser when you are competing against the likes of the Cowboys, Mavericks, Stars and Rangers.

    15. Colorado The perception is the owner could care less, that perception is reflected in fan base. They are behind the Broncos, Nuggets and Avalanche but could probably win against the Rockies with more effort.

    16. New York A brand based on marketing a product is always going to fail in New York; it has to go up against brands like the Yankees, Knicks, Giants, Devils, Rangers Jets, Mets and Nets.

    17. Chivas Like L.A. but second fiddle to them and by a large margin.

    18. New England Not only do they have to compete against great brands like the Patriots, Red Sox, Celtics and Bruins but all of them have won recent championships. They are so clearly the stepchild of the Patriots it couldn’t be any sadder and on top of that the New England/Foxborough thing only works for the Patriots because they are an NFL team and one with recent success, the Revolution might as well not even exist in Boston.
     
  11. charlieblackmouth

    Feb 8, 2009
    South Ward
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be extremely, i.e. incorrectly, generous to say that 50% of lovely Washingtonians would draw a line between the words DC United and soccer. 300k people then, and into NYC's 8 million+, so we should be just fine at around 3 1/2% knowing :)
     
  12. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You missed one
     
  13. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don''t think 10% do, just some person I replied to said 10% do so I threw the fact at him that 10% of New York is more than Seattle
     
  14. FuzzyForeigner

    Oct 29, 2003
    WA
    Club:
    Seattle
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    36,000 ssfc avg attendance/563,374=6.4%

    20,000 ny avg attendance/19,541,453= 0.001%

    thanks for making my point.

    back to the real world. ciao bimbos.
     
  15. USFootiefan1980

    LAFC
    United States
    Aug 19, 2005
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good Lord, I hate the off-season.
     
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  16. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For Pete's sake! I am talking about global brand not local brand. Locally Seattle is the biggest brand in the MLS among their fans..just outside the US they are not as known as the Galaxy and the Red Bulls. That's all
     
  17. fillmont

    fillmont Member

    May 20, 2010
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there a reason you went with metro population for NY and city only for Seattle? Not that it makes a whole lot of practical difference because NY is still far larger, but Seattle is at 3,439,809 and NY is at 18,897,109, when you take the 2010 census metro area data. 10 percent of NY is less than Seattle.
     
  18. BROSUF

    BROSUF Member

    Feb 21, 2008
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is Red Bulls NYC known for?
     
  19. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    In Portland, when people get on the trains and they are crowded, I overhear a lot of "Oh right, there's a Blazers game tonight" when the Blazers are in town. When the Timbers are in town, I hear people ask "Oh, is there a Timbers' game tonight?".

    It is a small, but clear, distinction, at least for the moment, that the Trailblazers are still number 1. However there is a lot of awareness of the Timbers, and that gap will likely close in the next couple of years.


    On a completely unrelated note, I am sure there are a lot of people in Austria who are familiar with a soccer team who play in Red Bull Arena, which is owned by said company. Unfortunately for NYRB, the team I'm referring to is FC Red Bull Salzburg. More people are likely aware of that Red Bull team than the one in NY. Their kits are even quite similar (basically the only real difference is the shorts on the alternate), allowing for cursory glances to build the Red Bull brand, but lending confusion to both teams about who is what.


    As for other teams, I knew of Chicago, DC, New England, New York/New Jersey, and LA before I really started paying attention to anything with the league (flipping through sports channels and landing on the rare MLS game doesn't count). I couldn't have told you what any of the team's colors were, and I'd have been pressed to tell you the nickname of those teams, but I might have been able to do so.
     
  20. Darth Vegas

    Darth Vegas New Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Columbia City
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
  21. JUAN-XAVIER

    JUAN-XAVIER Member

    Jul 23, 2009
    TEXAS
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Globally everybody knows the Galaxy as Beckham's team. NYRB is also known globally through branding of the owners (FC Red Bull Salzburg, Red Bull Brasil, and RB Leipzig) plus Salzburg has a training facility in Ghana for African players. So as brands go NYRB is the biggest (Globally) and Galaxy is the biggest in the USA. Most of y'all will just be biased towards your team so since I am not a big fan of the league I believe that i have included a non biased opinion.
     
  22. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most teams don't have much of a national brand. I base this list solely on non-Rapids jerseys that I've seen in Colorado - suggesting that there's more than local support, knowledge of - the teams....

    Galaxy
    Sounders
    DC
    Crew
    Fire

    DC used to head the list, but even since the fall people remember who they are. Galaxy have always floated near the top. The Fire used to do better, and the Crew have always had some presence. The rest.... not so much.
     
  23. Hushx

    Hushx Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On behalf of the city of Los Angeles, I officially apologize for LA having more winning teams than Houston :D. I guess our denizens are too distracted keeping up with all the championships that come our way.

    Not a native New Yorker, but based on repeat viewings of Entourage I would say New York Islanders?
     
  24. flippin269

    flippin269 Member+

    Aug 3, 2003
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, winning is a good thing :) But being a winner in LA and having a brand that LA doesn't seem to care about when they win doesn't automatically make that brand a success story.
     
  25. FUAEG

    FUAEG Member+

    Oct 18, 2005
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thoughtful post ..
    you overestimate the Quakes brand here in SJ. We're WAAAAAY behind the local ice skating team and when the A's move to downtown San Jose we'll fall further behind them as well.
     

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