Rudy Gestede @Cardiff a Yank?

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Sandon Mibut, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    He seems to think so. He apparently has a grandfather from Georgia. (My apologies if there's already a thread about this here on YA. I looked but couldn't find one, hence starting this thread.)

    http://www.empireofsoccer.com/?p=5126

    Is an American grandparent enough for US citizenship or does it have to be thru one of your parents?

    Born in France, came up thru the Metz system and now plays in the England second tier at Cardiff City.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Gestede

    He's 23 and only has one pro goal for Cardiff though he's been dinged up a bit, apparently.

    However, he is 6-4 and given the US' historical reliance on (cue Alexi Lalas) set-pieces, that kind of size might be useful to have up top at the end of games.

    Finally, thanks to the people at MLSsoccer.com's daily Kickoff for providing the link to the story about Gestedes I posted above. Never would have seen it without them.

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/12/06/kick-mexican-scoring-ace-eyes-possible-mls-move
     
  2. arsenalfc08

    arsenalfc08 Member

    Mar 14, 2005
    Pretty sure its through a parent. Citizenship through a grandparent in terms of USA citizenship isn't like it is in Europe. Bradley Johnson thought the same thing and he's not eligible.
     
  3. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea, iirc his grandfather would have had to registered his children (Rudy's parent) and then in turn they would have had to have registered Rudy before he was 18.
     
  4. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Something like that. Plus, US residency requirements come into play precisely because US citizenship isn't intended to be handed down simply by heritage/bloodline.
     
  5. cowtown

    cowtown Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    Plano, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good (assuming its accurate) summation here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States#Statute.2C_by_parentage

    I doubt Rudy is eligible, which is a mild shame, just because he seems eager and one more forward on the roster of a solid club would be helpful.

    I think this is a case of the UK press having a Little Britain moment and not realizing that the Home Countries have the grandparent rule simply because they're not legally distinct nation-states.
     
  6. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yea this line here is the key part:

    If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
    - the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
    - at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.
     
  7. agoo101284

    agoo101284 Member

    Mar 23, 2005
    Bronx, NY
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Am I the only one not too excited over the prospects of this guy? I don't see anything that indicates that he's anything other than tall.

    Are there indicators he's better than most of the following forwards (or potential forwards) in the pool: Altidore, Agudelo, Buddle, Bunbury, Dempsey, Donovan, Gomez, Shea. Are there indicators that he won't be made passed by a few of the youth forwards coming up: Boyd, Doyle, Gyau, McInerney, Taylor, Salgado, Wood, Wooten.
     
  8. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    It depends. Just looking up the stats. It appears recently he is starting to score and start matches before the injury sidelined him. Just tuned 23. His club is in the top 3 for promotion. If everything goes cardiff's way this year, there "could" be a 23/24 year-old American striker in the EPL next season.
     
  9. CbR

    CbR Member

    Nov 10, 2000
    Bergen County NJ
    i think its time for a "Gestede to LB Chandler to RB" thread
     
  10. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It really comes down to his mother/father. Did he/she qualify for US citizenship under the rules in place at the time (probably) and also be eligible to pass it along to him? The mom/dad may be eligible to be a US citizen, but might not be able to pass it along if he/she didn't ever reside in the US.

    That's why mentioning just the grandfather as the link bothers me, though the fact he lives in the US might mean that mommy/daddy qualified.

    It takes a real expert to figure out some of these cases which is why immigration lawyers make plenty of money.

    The linked article mentions Diego Fagundez as wanting to play for the US if we call, but he doesn't have citizenship and I'm not sure what the rules are when you convert from living here illegally (which you have to assume from the Boston Globe article). I believe you have to get a Green Card first and then wait 5 years. Since he's 16, he might not even be able to get a Green Card for a couple of years, even if the Revolution sponsors him.
     
  11. Zak1FCK

    Zak1FCK Member+

    Aug 23, 2005
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    FC Kaiserslautern
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is some sort of citizenship eligibility based on a grandparent, but not sure exactly what the rules are. It was mentioned during an NPR story I heard a couple months ago about people being deported due to paperwork problems and INS not following the rules.
     
  12. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did dig a little bit on grandparent qualification and here's what I found:

    Who’s eligible:

    A child living abroad is eligible to become a US citizen under Section 322 if s/he

    is under the age of 18;

    is the offspring or adopted child of a US citizen parent; AND

    has an American parent or grandparent who has spent five years in the US, two of which were after the parent/grandparent was 14 years of age

    It doesn't mean there aren't other channels, but he should go find a sharp immigration attorney who can prove his mom/dad meets the eligibility requirement to pass on citizenship to him.
     
  13. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So in essence there is no eligibility passed through grandparents. PERIOD.

    It always hinges on whether the parent is a citizen or not.
     
  14. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More or less. If the parent is a citizen, but doesn't meet the residency requirement, and the child is under 18...then you can substitute the grandparent's residency.

    The child of a US citizen who meets the residency requirement is a US citizen. The child only gets it if (1) the parent meets the residency requirement or (2) the grandparent meets the residency requirement.

    If he had figured this out before age 18, he could have qualified. There may be another provision somewhere that qualifies him, but it will take some work.
     
  15. Zak1FCK

    Zak1FCK Member+

    Aug 23, 2005
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    FC Kaiserslautern
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is more that if the grandparent was a citizen and the parent was eligible but did not claim it. It is a very narrow path, but one that is possible.
     
  16. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. jwat15

    jwat15 Member

    Oct 7, 2010
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    So this guy plays for the Benin? National team now. I don't know
     
  18. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
  19. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Bumping because his U.S. situation was mentioned on NBC's Villa-Arsenal broadcast this morning.
     
  20. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    mike4066 repped this.

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