Carling Cup Quarter Final: November 29, 2011 - Chelsea FC v. Liverpool FC [R]

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  1. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    a team full of loathsome players and a team we can not seem to beat at the moment

    never a good combination and that is without addressing their "fans" and history
     
  2. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    or a tactical change where in both the front man and fullback in this current system are not standing three yards apart in the final third when possession is lost leaving numbers running at our back two and holding mid
     
  3. okocha1

    okocha1 Member+

    Nov 25, 2004
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    One thing I remember from Essien though was that at his top he could offer s threat from passing and from range. He could stamp his game even when we in possession. Ramires for me is an excellent piece of a counterattacking team. If we had 2 forwards an mid of his speed you see him trully shine. In this slow buildup he just doesn't function the same.
     
  4. addicted2chelsea

    Nov 11, 2007
    Australia
    This team is even more decidedly average without Mata and Sturridge. Some of those players out there tonight should be ashamed of themselves.
     
  5. jcm28

    jcm28 Member

    Apr 12, 2009
    Puerto Rico
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Puerto Rico
    I don't like the idea of buying ANOTHER striker in January.

    Either Torres mans up, or play Sturridge as a lone striker and just buy players that support him.
     
  6. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    cant say i have seen enough of him, but i would guess its going to take more than Farfan to get us out of our hole. We need a CF and a RW. Someone that can get 20 goals a season
     
  7. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    To put a postitive spin on this result, it should give us more incentive, motivation, and rest to try harder in the league. That said, it seems motivation is really what our players are struggling with at the moment.

    Pool actually remind me of us under Jose (just not as fast). Very disciplined, organized, fight for every ball, and give no space to the opposing team. Hats off to Clarke.

    From the games I've seen Spurs play as well, there is no way we can keep up with them based on speed. Since we won't get any faster any time soon, we need another tactic. I applaud AVB's determination to make 4-3-3 work.......but he's aking the same mistake that Scolari and Carlo did and attempt to play that system without proper wingers. When we won the league, we had younger and stronger players, and the competition was weaker. We can't use 4-3-3 in England where speed is so important. It just won't work. AVB has to know that, so I can't understand what he is doing. Cole is getting old, he barely tried to run past defenders, rather does what Duff did in his last year, which is run forward, stop, and pass back. Bos can run forward, but what's the point, when you don't have the discipline to track back and maintain your man. Unless we try 4-4-2 soon, I'm afraid our performance won't improve by much.

    It's only Carling Cup, so if we beat Zebras this weekend, I'll be very happy, but I just had to vent a bit.
     
  8. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    indeed

    we seem slow to react in defence and are awfully slow in attack

    it seems as if the players never got out of the walking pace they fell into under Carlo

    it is equally frustrating that we two of the goals came from mistakes from youngers players and I suspect one contingent of fans will throw them under the bus and perhaps this will further lead AVB in keeping down the pecking order. As I have said numerous times- throwing youngsters in at the deep end is not always the solution if they are not given a run of games to be blooded in.
     
  9. hula

    hula Moderator
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    May 16, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Since Sturridge is the only striker who seems to have any desire and/or creativity, why not give him the start at center? Why does it always have to be lazy old shruggy Drogs or weird spooked fearful broken Torres? ARRRGH
     
  10. okocha1

    okocha1 Member+

    Nov 25, 2004
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yep. Positioning players forward, doesn't make us more attacking. Its the movement while we are in possession of the ball and the last movements in the final third that puts the opposition defense on their heels You can have synchronized movements in attack that can also can also catch teams by surprise. When have you ever seen our fullbacks consistently run onto a pass from a winger and hit a cross in? Its a rare occurrence. Instead the players a pushed far forward and bunched in a tight space, The movements far more predictable and unless their is a key advantage in skill or speed the players rarely win out on the 1 v 1 battles, more often than not losing the ball, and find themselves rushing back like mad men as the opposition plays two or three quick passes to get into threatening positions. Simply because there is so much SPACE in our defensive third with all of those players gone forward.
     
  11. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    some really inept displays and quite frankly I could not put it better than you did

    this wont go down well but whatever-

    we have seen the likes of Liverpool and Spurs and even Arsenal go through these awful periods were they plummet down the League and find themselves elminated from contention for various trophies and while many may say that we are better than those teams- I would say that all three of those sides are better than us atm- so perhaps in a strange sort of way a transitional period may be a good thing for us. Perhaps this will finally allow a manager (if Roman can keep faith in him) to clear out the dead wood and perhaps unearth a potential starter or a few squad players in some of the youngsters

    very organised. Good spacing between the lines and almost always forcing the ball away from the danger areas. I was impressed with them vs Citeh and thought that they had that Jose "we will stop you playing football first and then worry about the result" look about them
     
  12. jcm28

    jcm28 Member

    Apr 12, 2009
    Puerto Rico
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Puerto Rico
    This times ∞
     
  13. okocha1

    okocha1 Member+

    Nov 25, 2004
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Well we've got 3 of those players already. :p. Honestly, I think that Sturridge is on course of 20 this season. If Farfan comes in and is pushed as a RW, Sturridge central, and Mata on the left I think we'd function much. Unless Chelsea is going to panic and spend 40+ million on Hulk or Neymar and hope that they take off running, I'm afraid we may end up with another Torres problem.
     
  14. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    That's thanks to Clarke. What pisses me off more is that Liverpool wont even be in the top 6 come the end of the season. They are a team that shows up against the bigger teams, then lays down against the rest of the league.

    Well if we want to save the season, we must. DD aint doing the job, not is Torres.

    And Sturridge wont work as a lone striker. And even if it did, you would still have to fill the hole of the RW/RF position.
     
  15. fernb8

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    Aug 12, 2002
    the first goal came from something similar

    some really wasteful attack play lead to a quick counter for Liverpool who cut us open

    besides the poor play up front our spacing is downright awful at times

    I almost watched with envy as Liverpool continued to present two banks of four in defence and had well organised spacing in attack- and this was without the mercurial Suarez FFS
     
  16. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I agree. And as much as I hate losing, I would be ok with that if AVB is given time and the money to buy the players he wants, because in the end it will be worth it.
     
  17. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    @KarthiSport
    Karthi Gnanasegaram
    Josh McEachran has just hobbled past with his foot in a Becker-like boot-cast #CFC
     
  18. adri

    adri Member

    Jul 3, 2004
    Vancouver, Canada
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    kid can't catch a break...or maybe he did?
     
  19. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    damn I thought I would be facing some backlash for that comment :eek:

    I think it has been pretty apparent that this team has been heading for one of these seasons for a while. The constant changing in managers, less than impressive transfer windows, lack of development and overall failure to address the need of replacing some of our aging players was going to bite us sooner than later.

    while I do think AVB does have a significant degree of responsibility in this current dreadful run of form, I think he should be given a chance to get of the hole and see what he can do with some fresh additions to a stale squad
     
  20. addicted2chelsea

    Nov 11, 2007
    Australia
    Poor lad.

    I wonder if Atletico will take Torres + Cash for Falcao. He just is not looking any better , and I hate to jump on a bandwagon on a underperforming CFC player (apart from Bosingwa and Kalou) but Torres is just not there at the moment.
     
  21. adri

    adri Member

    Jul 3, 2004
    Vancouver, Canada
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    AVB's post game comments:

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  22. Ninjatend0

    Ninjatend0 Moderator
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    Feb 10, 2007
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    If Sturridge moves centrally, who plays at RW? and does that make us as a whole, a worse team? personally, i think so. in my mind, we can talk about him playing in the middle once we have someone that CAN play RF/W. even then, he's not a sure shot in the middle leading the line.
     
  23. addicted2chelsea

    Nov 11, 2007
    Australia
    Agreed. The players AVB has specifically brought in himself , Mata and Oriol , are turning out to be great buys. Mata is probably our best player , and Oriol is developing really well . A couple more like this and we might get something going.
     
  24. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    It was bound to happen , you're right. We went all those years without adding to the squad. At some point we had to rebuild with the aging squad we have. And I would guess Roman sees this now and its why AVB was hired.
    Sometimes you have to tear things down and build it up again.
     
  25. Ninjatend0

    Ninjatend0 Moderator
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    Feb 10, 2007
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    just finish top 4 please. that's ALL i want this season.

    Edit: mainly because if we don't, there goes our shot at Hazard (or the elite player that we really need). maybe that's over exaggerating, but you get the point.
     

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