Sources tell Chronicle a deal to send Brian Ching back to Dynamo is reached, pending league approval

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Who says I was serious? Clearly my comical usage of whoa whoa wasn't enough. Let's all just drink to Ching and blame whoever the flying ******** we want. I blame Fox News.

 

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That's about how I see it DonJuego, and who knows what's really going on (as we type) that's not being reported in the press.

The bigger problem for MLS, however, is that it is (unfortunately) advantageous for expansion teams to select players to use as leverage (rather than as players for their own squads) in future transactions or to extort "extra" value from the existing clubs (or, now it seems, even to induce the early retirement of another team's player) ... and I have no good suggestions for how the league could disincentivize this course of action.

 

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Trust me the second I clocked out I was off to the races to the other gallon of rum I have left over from Sundays game. Jesse Marsch better be glad he doesen't live in my apartment building. If we're blaming something I'm gonna quote George Carlin and blame it on the "Pussification of the American Male".

 

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No worries, I do very well for myself, no comedy career needed.

Believe me I'm pissed about Brian Ching getting selected, but I'm not gonna say Montreal was classless or that they shouldn't have picked him. Thats just ridiculous. I wanted him protected. I think it'll work out but we better not lose Hainault because of it.

 

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It'll all work out for the best and in the end if it doesn't...well us stressing won't fix it.

+1

Anybody that quotes Carlin goes up two levels in my book.

 

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oh man, i just can't believe this happen..

Free Ching Day 1 ends, Free Ching Day 2 Starts.....

 

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Can't say I blame Montreal for taking Ching.

Do I believe that Ching will play for Montreal? No way. They'll work out a deal.

 

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I sure hope this is some kind of play on Ching's behalf.

Kinnear looks like a fool for losing the face of the franchise prior to the opening of the new stadium.

Marsch looks like jerk for an underperforming choice (surely he could have chosen better).

Ching appears to have stabbed in the back: "Thanks for all the hard work, now beat it."

I for one, will hold off buying tickets at the new stadium. I was looking forward to the opening game with Ching, Cameron, Davis, Hainault, etc. Now that's not possible What other travesties await?

Worst Houston mistake since the name change to Dynamo.

 

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Waking up to this nonsense, I am starting to think that many of y'all are correct and the best thing that Ching could do is go to Montreal (or threaten to) and enjoy a last year of guaranteed HALF A MILLION DOLLAR salary (minus $50K).

No other team is going to pay that much to have Ching on their roster. Ching would really slap Jesse Marsh on the face if he DOES take the job and behaves professionally and does the best he can. At best, Montreal will pair him with somebody who will complement Ching quite well, at worst, Ching won't be effective at all and will sit on the bench collecting HALF A MILLION DOLLARS (minus $50K).

Let's not give them Hainault (even though he may end up in France anyway?).

Exactly, the money is not something Ching can walk away from, Rey. Those who think that Ching will take a $110K per year desk-job are forgetting that he could continue to make HALF A MILLION DOLLARS (-50K) if he just puts up with wearing some other jersey.

That's exactly how I feel now, Westside. If Ching takes the job offer, I'll continue to respect him and clap for him and wish him the best.

It was hard for me to lose Mullan, but then I remembered that playing soccer is just a job (a high-paying job, but a job).

EXACTLY! Although I wouldn't say Ching should become trouble in the organization, he can enjoy learning to be a coach and being a mentor to young players somewhere else. But i agree with DonJuego that it is time for Ching to "reraise" the bluff!

Ching actually has the opportunity for the last laugh and make the joke be on Marsh!

YUP, you are correct JC507, the FO had the option to avoid this situation, and they didn't.

I think it was Dynamo Theory who wrote: If they take Ching, the other team is evil for taking a beloved player even though that made space to bring a DP. If they don't take Ching, the Dynamo FO is genius for keeping the most beloved player.

Ja, ja, ja. Quite funny, Caddman!!

 

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This is a possibility. One that many of us don't want to take into account because it makes the organization seem blade runnerish, and almost nobody wants to feel that their team is willing to replace its legends when they become a "burden". People feel this way because it makes us feel like we are also replaceable in work, family, etc.

Was this a bad mistake? Yes. However, no one player is bigger than the whole organization. If the Busby Babes were replaced anybody can be replaced. Time will always force us to make personnel changes that may emotionally hurt.

 

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thanks for the Canadian history lesson. We still don't like Montreal now but it was cool lesson. So what's a Canuck eh?

 

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Lol @ eh.

 

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I'm hoping this was their plan, or a least a part consideration of it, otherwise it just seems foolish. Remember, high salary or not, they are counting on him at forward next year for the 20 or so games he can stay healthy for.

I'm not going to feel bad for Ching, he literally has to just show up at Impact camp, take a knock, complain about his knees, and he'll be on the shelf collecting $450K. You seem to think unauthorized or "dishonest" actions by employees are OK.

Montreal played by the rules, crappy as that is. The Dynamo screwed up. Ching should be angry at them.

 

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im dom we trust.



How long til we get Ching back? Start a Poll or does he

Plays for Montreal
Starts in Houston
or Retires

 

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forgive the intrustion on my part, just curious to see what you guys thought of the ching situation. here's another way of looking at this:

montreal called houston/chings bluff, no player in their right mind wants to retire until they know it's their time. ching honestly looks like he's enjoying himself when he plays and still has a year left in him to be a major offensive threat before his abilities start to wane. to retire would mean basically giving up the game he loves because he doesn't want to play for the impact, but maybe montreal knew that.

maybe the reason why they took him was because they knew what he means to your franchise and fanbase. the bigger the response from the fans, the more pressure it puts on your FO to get him back by any means necessary.

i'm not saying they shouldn't attempt to get him back, but the last thing you want to do is trade away for a player who only has a year or two left, tops. maybe montreal were hoping that by taking the franchise player they could use the outrage to swing an unreasonable deal which sees them getting a lopsided trade. any of the stuff you guys have suggest are all plausible outcomes, either he plays for montreal, plays for houston or retires prematurely (which would be a damn shame).

just a thought, i'll screw off to my own forums now

 

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Really, what's the down side for Montreal? Perhaps they wanted no players from Houston's unprotected list. It's not like they could have taken two players from another team for passing on Ching. He's a bargaining chip. They don't have to trade him to Houston. Is the worst case scenario that he retires and they get nothing for him, or they get Brian Ching on their squad for a season?He may be expensive, but are the Impact cup contenders next year? I don't see Ching being anything but a pro, and it's not a given that he can't play for most of the season.

 

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yeah, i think the common consensus is that Ching plays one more year. but in the end we may be selling him short. the dude is a competitor he may still squeeze out 3 more years out of the body, but not at current salary after next year.

People were crapping on Dom earlier this year for not making moves and revamping the roster and now they're going to crap on him for making moves and revamping the roster.

can you guys please decide which one you want?

...12 months into a 24 month rebuilding project...

 

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I love Brian for what he's done, but I would be very happy to have that $400k+ off our books and salary cap considering his age and amount of games he's good for per year. I hope the Dynamo just let this play out, thanks for your hard work Brian! Now let's go get a young, stud DP at striker and win this thing next year.

 

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I think what you and lot of other folks are not realizing is that Chingy came close to hanging them up back in '05 due to injuries-WC kept him motivated. Not playing in Germany gave him a fire to try again. But he keeps getting injured. I would not rule retiring out. If he wants to play for this team only, knows he had one year left (let's face it his skills already has diminished from what they have been), why play one more year? $ I know-but I really don't think that's a big motivator for him. As for the game is loves-sure but when it hurts more to play you start to question how much it's worth it to keep playing, especially when you know you can't do it at the level you expect from yourself. Trust me, I've been there.

Somehow I still think he's going get dealt out west somewhere and then retires and takes a desk job in Htown.

 

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I just see it as business decisions being made by both clubs. It happens. In 2009 I was laid off by the company I worked for only to be re-hired by them 5 months later. I suppose I could have said "You're all a bunch of meanie stupid faces, and I'll never work for you again!" But my reaction was "The paychecks won't bounce. We're good."

My initial reaction to Ching being picked was anger too. But the Dynamo are not faultless here. They made the decision to leave him unprotected. Rey and Debbie Downside Cosmo agree on this issue. What more proof do you need ?

 

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If Ching retires, there are so many things we could do leading up to opening day and on opening day...

Unveil a statue of him celebrating after tying the score in the 2006 MLS Cup;
Officially retire his number. Face it...there will NEVER be another #25 for the Dynamo;
Have him kick the ceremonial first goal (again);
Have Hawaiian Night;
Beat Montreal's arse;
etc.

The list is endless of all the things we could do as fans for Ching. He has brought us so much.

 

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I get the business side of all this.
It's just that AEG doesn't get business. Well let me rephrase that, they do get business. Concerts and arenas and bottom lines. However they are on a severe learning curve as to how to grow a pro soccer club over say just floating along a relocated soccer franchise.
With the market here in our city, the youth playing the sport and the domestic and international success our players have earned, our FO should run this city. Our other Front Office organizations are pathetic, specially our 'Stros, perhaps that will change and our no tailgating today Texans FO have this area on lock but still can't run South Texas proper.

All things considered, dumping the face of the club before the entire team gets to play their first game there in our new ground is just weird to do when pro soccer is built on winning, which we have and fan loyalty to buy tickets/merchandise which we all have done. The icing on the cake is cultural connection. Which Ching, Stuie and De Ro had in abundance. So shipping them off if for strictly business better pay out much higher for new players in that are better than them and new players with better cultural connection to thus sell more tickets/merchandise. Which after letting Stuie walk for free and punting De Ro off to TFC to get a veal player n return whereas El Brujo is now league MVP. All this lack of money management from our staff. If it is all about money than please learn how to profit from our players leaving. PLEASE.

Because getting rid of the club's all time leading scorer and current captain is of course the logical next step.

 

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Sadly, the Dynamo gambled and lost in this deal. Perhaps the thinking was that if Brian let it be known that he would not play anywhere else, that Montreal would leave him alone. Football does not work like that. Every player, even the great ones, has a shelf life. The simple matter of fact is, that if Dynamo didn't want to lose him, then they should not have left him unprotected. It's a shame, but there is no sentiment in running a soccer club - hard decisions have to be made at times, and a lot of them are not popular with the fans, especially where their favorite players are concerned.

Players come and go, no matter how good they are. The coach has a job of work to do and has to make decisions which as far as he is concerned, are to the good and benefit of the club - he has to see a much bigger picture. The good coaches are those that can produce a turnover of good teams and not let sentiment cloud their judgment. Dominic obviously discussed the whole scenario with Brian before he released the protected list - so both parties knew the implications. If you were in Jesse Marsch's shoes, I think seeing Brian's name on that unprotected list you would have made the same choice. Players of his experience and quality don't just hang on trees - what he brings to a club money can't buy.

There is no doubting that Brian has been such a great servant to Dynamo, and like the majority, I will miss seeing him out on the field, and miss seeing everything that he brings to Dynamo both on and off the field. If he does make the decision to retire, then there is still so much he can contribute to the club.

Life has to go on, irregardless of sentiment.

 

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Doesn't Ching have an accounting degree as someone said in Facebook?

I always wondered why the FO had no accounting worker (per website list; there is no accounting mgr.). Yeah AEG probably manages finances from LA but still...


Anyway, this can surely bite Marsch back in his a$$.

They get a $450K player who will be 34, on the downside, one injury away from forced retirement, who doesn't feel like playing for them. Oh and if they try a trade back, they'll get, what? Freeman? Garey? ERob? A taco? A cowboy hat?