News: Revs to Announce New Head Coach Tuesday... (from 2011, Heaps hire)

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  1. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The ratio of the potential of him winning a Nobel Prize to him scoring when unmarked in the box has to be the highest of any player who has ever laced up boots
     
  2. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    I think you were joking a little as the Boggs comment is a good one, but the National Licenses are not "Youth" courses like as in U6 or U8 but for coaching older players U16 thru college age thru to Men/Women at a senior level. And the focus of those courses on our functional and team coaching.

    No doubt he will go straight to the "B", maybe even this winter and then to the draft at NSCAA convention.

    The licensse is not a big deal for me for now - it would be more how good he will be at demanding budget to get new players, how he drafts, and how he deals with the players. And then what they look like on the field.
     
  3. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Agreed!
     
  4. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Anyone listen to the DA show with Heaps and Twellman and can recap? Or link to podcast?
     
  5. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    I don't disagree, but what will happen if the Revs start off the season poorly, or don't seem to get an influx of talent?

    Will the Revs (and us fans) say - give Heaps time? Will they have the balls to stop it if it looks like it is a trainwreck?

    I gotta say, we haven't signed a player - but I am excited for next season more than I have been for some time simply because I have something different/new to be ready to watch. Will be interesting
     
  6. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
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    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will say I was a little more on-board with the Heaps choice until I read this morning that Coach K's commentary basically sealed the deal.

    I don't like that at all. The guy coaches amateurs of another sport, and we're relying on his character witness testimony for a major league coaching decision? I really wish they'd said, "thanks for your input, and we'll take it under consideration", instead of the "wow, you like Heaps? Heaps it is!" that we seem to have gotten.
     
  7. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
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    New England Revolution
    Time has told us a lot with this ownership, franchise, team, management etc... There is plenty of evidence to draw from. Most of it bad.
     
  8. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    that will be this years mantra. We won't be allowed to criticize because:

    -new coach, it takes time to implement a system
    -they are rebuilding the roster
    -rome wasn't built in a day

    You know what, "in the long run, we are all dead"
     
  9. 57 States

    57 States New Member

    Aug 2, 2011
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    Exactly, after 15 years of having football people implementing marketing strategies and philosophies now head coaching decisions are made by college basketball coaches on tobacco road, wonderful. I used to coach U12 kids in a town rec league, I'm sure I could have had some wonderful letters of recommendations had I applied for the job.

    I am really convinced that the Krafts will not pay for moving fees when hiring soccer people that's why we got local boys B & B, Heaps and transplanted Nicol. We are looking at Kraft's spending incorrectly, he is not cheap. I'm sure he overspends on his house, cars, planes and the 300 lb lug on the offensive line because it satisfies him and he thinks it worth it. Soccer does not give him that same feeling just as I would not spend more than $100 on sneakers. I'm not cheap but it's does not mean that much to me.

    We should be looking at Kraft through the prism of a consumer not an investor when gauging his spending and his emotional responses. I took Marketing classes 20 years ago but I'm sure there are terms for this.
     
  10. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    United States
    A week or so ago you said that Burns wouldn't really have any say? :confused:
     
  11. BrianLBI

    BrianLBI BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 7, 2002
    New Hampshire
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's just marketing the new coach a little, getting his name in the news and search engines. No harm done.
     
  12. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm deadly serious. The question wasn't "does Heaps have experience?" It was "Does he have a license?" Two different questions.

    If someone wants to argue that Jay Heaps shouldn't be coach because he lacks experience, fine. If someone wants to argue that he shouldn't be coach because he lacks a piece of paper from the USSF, that's baloney.
     
  13. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    qft
     
  14. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The major news from the DA show is that Heaps will likely wear a tie on the sidelines.

    Otherwise, he repeated a lot of the same themes as the press conference.
     
  15. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Haggar Life Khakis
     
  16. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
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    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The two go hand-in-hand in soccer. Experience almost inevitably leads to a license of some grade. To get the license you need experience. Having a license is an indicator that you have experience. He has neither experience nor a license.

    He was a bad choice.
     
  17. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not true. No one is simply licensed because they have the experience, nor is someone experienced because they have a license.

    You get a license for sitting through a class. Nothing more, nothing less
     
  18. BigFrank

    BigFrank New Member

    Apr 3, 1999
    Dublin, Ireland
    Be happy that the Krafts didn't go the absolute cheapest, most Koolaid-drinking route and pulled Brad Feldman out of the broadcast booth. Although it would have been comical when it was for pushups at practice and he told the players to "go to ground.'

    It is Kraft Soccer that has gone to ground, once again.

    Their soccer organisation is a unmitigated disaster. So what do they do?
    Promote Billlelllooo and PeeWee Burns, and give more responsibility and authority to those that have already proven they aren't up to the job at hand.

    Now they hired a guy with no coaching experience from the broadcast booth. Where was Seamus Malin, who had at least been an assistant coach at Harvard?

    Hires like Heaps don't get the benefit of doubt, because there is no base of credentials that indicates that they might be successful. There is only hope, without reason to back it up.
    That isn't the same thing as saying that Heaps won't be successful.
    But there is nothing that that we can see that would indicate that he might be able to do it.

    If someone can provide concrete reasons why Heaps will be a success, not just might be, pass the Koolaid.
     
  19. Crooked

    Crooked Member+

    May 1, 2005
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    I agree, but the issue that I have in Heaps' case is that he has neither the experience nor the license to prove that he's capable. For someone who has no experience like Jay, I would assume that they would be sitting through the classroom sessions in order to attain a license to prove that they not only want to coach but are capable of doing so. He didn't do that, which I don't understand. If he has truly been interested in coaching professional soccer, then why didn't he start taking coaching courses last year? He claimed that he used his experience as a commentator to help prepare him for coaching, but why not actually take classes on coaching if you're that interested? Something doesn't add up...
     
  20. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    No, you asked him if Francona had a license. He showed you why Francona got his job without a license (even though there aren't licenses in baseball to begin with).

    In baseball, there are no licenses. The prerequisite for finding an MLB managerial job is usually by working your way up through the coaching ladder.

    In Soccer, as is the case around the world and not just here in America, the prerequisites are to have experience and to have a license.

    Stop trying to compare other sports. They aren't even close to similar things.

    It's not just a piece of paper. It's education on how to manage and coach professional players.
     
  21. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
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    New England Revolution
    You don't get licensed by sitting in a class. You should probably learn more about it before you comment about it. Your post yesterday asking about the licenses was a good start. It's pretty obvious that you don't know what you are talking about here.
     
  22. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Must you have experience to get a license?

    If the answer to that question is 'No', then it's just a piece of paper
     
  23. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Yes, you must have some experience to get a license. You should probably actually find out what it takes to get a license before you formulate your half-baked opinion.

    Even if you didn't that wouldn't mean it's a piece of paper. You still have no clue of what you are talking about here. The coaching licenses are more about hands on experience than they are about classroom work. If you actually had any idea of what the curriculm was, you would know that. Instead, you would rather throw definitive suggestions around about something that you clearly know nothing about.
     
  24. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you need experience to get a license (which Heapsy doesn't have) than the questions regarding the potential or possibility of him getting one (and its usefulness in regards to his hire) or irrelevant
     
  25. Kraft Out

    Kraft Out Member+

    Aug 2, 2010
    Boston
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    New England Revolution
    But that wasn't what you responded to Jeremy about. Argyle was trying to infer that a license was just some useless piece of paper that was some exclusionary tactic. It couldn't be farther from the truth.
     

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