Bocanegra and Onyewu starting in qualifiers for 2014 WC

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Scotty, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. elvinjones

    elvinjones Member

    Jul 4, 2011
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup. I was surprised at the poor passing from Boca. We better start looking even more seriously for more CBs. Onyewu should be given more looks because he's hopefully on an upswing in his career.

    And Like I said in my post two days ago: Onyweu and Boca are an old wise man get together. They could be good but can always be beaten by speed. Is that acceptable? For example, in one of the runs made past the defense (Fiscal perhaps), in the space of the goal box shortways, Fiscal was a good 15 feet ahead of the next defender, and pressured the Honduran to take a bad shot. That was just speed.
     
  2. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Why? His distribution is consistently poor.
     
  3. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    They were poor. Holes between them and neither one could pass the ball under pressure.
     
  4. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As compared to Orozco and Bocanegra who broke down time and again
     
  5. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    Onyewu's sharp club form carries over to USMNT

    http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/10/onyewu-return-helps-usa-top-honduras.html
     
  6. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    And against Ecuador, Boca and Gooch get their first start together under Klinsmann.
     
  7. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    Since there doesn't appear to be an active, dedicated Ream thread right now -- and it probably would do no one any favors to kick one off -- I will make the point here...

    A young Gooch made mental errors regularly. There was one in particular against Mexico early in his career when he was caught ball-watching and gave up a crucial headed goal. Sound familiar? He learned, the mental game came around, and then we had the Gooch we know and love for several years before the 2009 injury robbed him of 2 years.

    I see a striking parallel with Ream's development. Different players and styles as centerbacks, but same early-career problem: mental lapses.

    I have not given up on Ream. I really feel for the guy. He looked totally defeated and alone when that goal went in. But he likely is going to figure it out. And when he does, his upside will come to fruition. I love his touch and passing game.

    Today I am an optimist.
     
  8. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody is giving up on Ream. But right now, he's been downright terrible for the Red Bulls and he hasn't really looked much better for the US team. He shouldn't be getting called into the US team until his club form turns around.
     
  9. irish56

    irish56 Member+

    Oct 30, 2006
    indy
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am sure one day he will.
     
  10. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure he will too. He's a very talented player, but defense is a position that requires more intelligence and experience than say a forward like Agudelo where a bit of naivety is sometimes an asset. But that said, there is no excuse to keep calling him, when he is playing badly, when others are playing better.
     
  11. irish56

    irish56 Member+

    Oct 30, 2006
    indy
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. This call up has hurt him more than helped. His confidence is shot.
     
  12. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was my first thought when I saw him throw up his hands and lower his head after the goal. Confidence torpedoed.


    If I'm Klinsmann I bring him in and tell him, "look you have some real talent here. I think you're going to be a big player for this team down the road. But right now I'd like you to focus on your club play and really get back into learning more and more. You'll be back on this team soon."


    After that I would call Omar Gonzalez and repeatedly beg forgiveness.
     
  13. southernyank23

    southernyank23 Red Card

    Aug 24, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    i'm more concerned with the midfield.
    center back problem will be solved before qualifying.
    we simply can't keep relying on donovan and dempsey to be there for us.
    we need more young blood, with open minds.

    how do you expect to win when dempsey is exhausted after 20 minutes?
    how do you expect holden to return to form after being out for almost a year?
    how do you expect donovan to carry the team in 2014, at age 32?

    the midfield situation is way scarier than the defense.
    our defense will always look crappy when we our midfield is worn out after the first half.
    the timing of the olympics could not have been worse.
    our young blood will be competing in that tournament, if we qualify for it, when we could use them in world-cup qualifying.
     
  14. irish56

    irish56 Member+

    Oct 30, 2006
    indy
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was Dempsey exhausted after 20 minutes? Didn't look any different than Dempsey 07 to me.
    Only time will tell with Holden, Gooch looked pretty good after a long time off.

    Xavi is older than Donovan, he still plays at a world class level, same with Diego Forlan.
     
  15. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ream doesn't have 25% of Gooch's athleticism, hence he needs to be mentally almost perfect.
     
  16. jakepc42

    jakepc42 Member+

    Mar 26, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Defense in soccer is truly an amazing thing. You have to be perfect almost all the time. A small mistake turns into a loss just like that. Reams got plenty of time and his issues are certainly fixable but they seem to keep occurring and we seem to keep having this conversation. I certainly hope he can figure it out because his composure on the ball is something else.

    On the topic of distribution, I was amazed as the skill and accuracy of some of Goochs long balls which regularly were successful. He was terrific yesterday and that is exciting.
     
  17. SaratogaGooner

    Nov 23, 2009
    Clifton Park NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reams has no physical presence. Hence him being pushed away and turned last night on the goal (Imagine what a Rooney would do to him). Unless he starts taking roids and gains about 40 lbs. of muscle, he will not be the answer in the back line.
     
  18. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The goal was not on his lack of physicality, Ream was just too late to get on his man. I have no idea what he was doing standing a few feet away from an Ecuadorian attacker while a cross was being played in. Ball-watching? Admiring Red Bull Arena? Wondering why Klinsmann put him in the game?
     
  19. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    And when he was late he lacked the physicality to push, bump, reach, pull to put the player off balance. He tends to lay off players because he doesn't like physical contact.
    He is a finesse player who needs to be stronger and more physical. He is very slight which matches his play. He needs to lift weights and put some pounds on and that will hopefully give him the impetus to be more physical. Compare him to Gonzalez. Omar is in almost contsant contact with his forwards he plays against.
     
  20. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shoot, compare him to Dolo, who uses his body so much better....It's not all strength, Ream lacks smarts too.
     
  21. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    His size isn't the problem. I can think of many center backs who are smaller than he is but who are far more dominant in aerial challenges (Ayala, Cannavaro, Heinze, etc.). The problem we saw on that play was his hesitancy.
     
  22. zhe fulano

    zhe fulano Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Jan 31, 2010
    Florida Keys, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Ecuador game was the best Gooch performance the USMNT has seen in two years. I am elated as I see this as a trend going in the right direction for both Gooch and the USMNT.
     
  23. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep. That play was a mental error, first and foremost. He had no idea where the ball was so it's not surprising he got beaten to it.
     
  24. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Onyewu got his first cap when he was 2 years younger than Ream is.

    Totally agree.
     
  25. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    ream'sroblem is he plays in mls
     

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