Official 2011 Japanese NT Thread [R] - part II

Discussion in 'Japan' started by OneiroPhobia, Jul 30, 2011.

  1. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Just came back. How did Makino do?
     
  2. OneiroPhobia

    OneiroPhobia Member

    Feb 10, 2010
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  3. Dalmatino

    Dalmatino Member

    Jul 3, 2011
    Split, Croatia
    Inoha played as Centre back?
     
  4. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    So this was his main scene?

    Dalmatino: Inoha must have been the right defender in the 3-4-3.
     
  5. rougou

    rougou Member+

    Dec 7, 2003
    Hyogo
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Yeh he got injured right before big Mike was about to come on, causing Yoshida to come on instead. Makino couldn't even walk out on his own. Seems to be injured a lot, no?

    Btw, did anyone else see Abe get schooled by that Vietnam player and then give up the yellow card?
     
  6. karolb

    karolb Member

    Apr 16, 2008
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    terrible match ... i didnt expect much because we knew he will make lots of experiments with 3-4-3 and many new members, but that was pretty poor performance overall ... change of system to usual 4-5-1 in 2nd half was better for offense, in defense almost no trouble (only like first couple of minutes in 2nd half with 2 good chances for Vietnam)

    how many times did they run in offside positions? couldnt count anymore ... you could clearly see that those players never played like that together (+many changes in the match as well), thanks god it was only Vietnam today ...

    pls no 3-4-3 with no offensive midfielder again against Tadjikistan! for me it was painful to watch the first half
     
  7. DerBogen

    DerBogen Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    terrible ? WTF ? Sure Japan gave away lots of chances like often but they are dominating the game soooooooo hard.It was a easy friendly walk with a B-C Side from Japan.First half was soo good,the pressure Vietnam like hell,the offensive was like a firehouse.Second Half was much much more worse then....little trouble in defense and much weaker offensive.So i cant say that the first half or second half was bad but first half was definitly better.

    Normaly this game ended 5-0 or higher.Vietnam has ONE real chance in the hole match at the second half (3 minute).
    It's a friendly and Japan win with no pressure like expected,and another win for the record of 16? unbeaten games under Zac.So i would say it was a solid game with many chances to score for Japan ...not more and not less.

    I cant understand why everybody is angry when Japan playes little bit badly for 3-4 games???What's wrong ?? The most important thing is not how they play ..it's the result and everytime under Zac the result is okay.THATS THE POINT.Zac give Japan ability to win or draw a game every time,doesn't mater how they are playing and this is the crack.Win games with one goal and a bad performance like big teams.For example Germany....everytime when they are playing bad everybody is soooo angry ,but that's the biggest bullshit ever cause they are winning their games like Japan.


    Japan is unbeaten for over an year and THATS THE POINT !!!
     
  8. karolb

    karolb Member

    Apr 16, 2008
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    maybe overreacting myself

    of course all together it was easy match (to win) but too many experiments to enjoy watching i think ... imo 3-4-3 in first half was good for defense but had problems in offense, i saw better offensive runs in 2nd half ... if they wanna use 3-4-3 in the future, they need much more time to adjust to it of course, i just have the feeling they didnt feel comfortable in that system in first half (and maybe also with those players never played together like this)

    in the end i have to say, if 2 or 3 of those offside traps failed and Japan would have been through and scored goals, i might stay more calm now :p
     
  9. DerBogen

    DerBogen Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I am overacting myself either I think :cool:. Sure,it was not the best game but Japan delivers what we expected..a win !

    You're right the 3-4-3 is not the best system for Japan but maybe they need time to fix this problem.I believe in Zac.
     
  10. ISUSucks

    ISUSucks New Member

    Jun 30, 2010
    Japan
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    hahaha this team is getting worse on every game. they played like how i play on WE to kill throwaway matches on the ML. every move was so simple and predictable, and they were all like some robots. they sure do better than this against tajikistan for gods sake. good to see kengo back to the team tho.
     
  11. BigDnm01

    BigDnm01 Member

    May 14, 2011
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Did Zacc stick to the 3-4-3 formation throughout the game?
     
  12. ISUSucks

    ISUSucks New Member

    Jun 30, 2010
    Japan
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan

    lol:D
     
  13. karolb

    karolb Member

    Apr 16, 2008
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    no, only first half
     
  14. BigDnm01

    BigDnm01 Member

    May 14, 2011
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    And they dominated the first half with the 3-4-3? what formation was used in the 2nd Half with the subs?
    I thought the subs did poorly due to the unfamiliar formation. but I guess that's a different story now.

    Also so only about 4 regulars were on the field while many were newcomers? who were the subs? Can I get a match report?

    And Japan did that badly? Even though we won, many expected a big win and not that to takes away the Vietnam improvement and success, but many were not satisfied with the way Japan was playing.
    What went wrong? I didn't watch it.

    I just hope they tweak whatever needs to be tweaked for the Tajikistan match.
     
  15. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=642ZONHCflw&feature=feedu"]????????? vs ?????2011_10_07 - YouTube[/ame]
     
  16. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Couldn't watch it live. Is that even worth rewatching or reading game reports + highlights will be fine?
     
  17. DerBogen

    DerBogen Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Japan dominated the game very hard.It was never dangerous that they can lose or draw. Vietnam has 2 chances in 1 attack for the hole game.

    Japan did what they must do,nothing more.Japan waste his chances but play solid.JNT has maybe 7-12 chances to score after the 1-0 so it was possible to win maybe 5-0.

    I say it again ;D.It was a friendly and the Blue Samurai do only what everybody was expected from them and thats with a B-C Side + so many substitues ( I think 6-8 players changed in 2nd half) and a formation change in the second half.Nothing special but nothing to worry about.
    And Vietnam isn't thaaaat bad.In 2007 they made it trough the group stages in the Asia Cup.

    All guys know here that the games in Asia when some "weaker" footballnation plays against "big" Japan are very different and hard.It's since i follow the JNT in 2006.It's not the same when Japan plays against some biger enemy as example from Europe or Africa etc.In those games Japan plays ways better from the "playerquality" because the Teams from Asia defends every time with 11 players.

    A draw for them is like a win and the are give everything to beat the strong Japan,that's the reason nothing special.It's every time the same....David against Goliath.

    But don't forget : Since the WC in South Africa,Japan do every game what they need to do.Sometimes it looks great and sometimes it looks bad at the end they are winning every important game or at least it's impossible to beat them at the moment.
    Like I said at the Asia Cup 2011.Japan has now a winning ability,so that they get the results they need.After my opinion this is much more worth then a crazy scoring line against Vietnam in a meaningless friendly.

    Before I forget ;PP.You can be proud of Japan's BIG Impact.Almost the hole national Team + some substitues playes in good clubs in Europe.The Japanese soccer has improved so hard since the World Cup.The are unbeaten for 18 (I am right ?) games when you count the cames before Zac,they are winning the Asia Cup in a realy dramatic and great tournament,they show that they can beat Teams like Argentinia and compare to Teams like Netherlands or Czech so I think this improvement in 1 year is absolutely crazy and this is only the beginning I think.
     
  18. BigDnm01

    BigDnm01 Member

    May 14, 2011
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Thanks to SB2002 for posting the link to that video. I dunno if it was due to it being Japanese TV, but they did show that Japan created more chances than Vietnam, just lack some sharpness and finishing, as well as luck.
    Though the newcomer and subs didn't perform well like we wanted, Zaccheroni did a good job in giving them the chance for experience. I agree it's a friendly and it did it's job for both teams in showing how they improved(Vietnam) and what needed to be improved (Japan). It's the qualifiers and tournament matches that is meaningful. Friendlies gives a chance for players and coaches to gain as much knowledge as they can to prepare for the battles ahead.
    Though, as a fan, I don't like to see them doing badly, even on a friendly.
    Maybe Zacc will lectured them and toughen them up for the near future. That's what we need.
    also like most fan, I got the "Champions of Asia' got to my head. Japan went undefeated in Asian Cup 2011, defeated Australia and KOR Rep. in a friendly, am undefeated since the Netherlands match in WC 2010.
    Sometimes we just expect really good results, especially against 130th ranked Vietnam and other teams in Asia.
    We really wake up from reality. Japan is not the only ones emerging as a top teams, many are improving and will love to bring their "A" game against Japan. We can't take things likely and thinks we can get results with just anyone on our team.
    Good luck, Japan.
    GO JAPAN! GAMBARE, NIPPON! GAMBARE SAMURAI BLUE!
     
  19. nsato

    nsato Member

    Oct 11, 2009
    Wtf is wrong with Makino...i know he doesn't get much playing time but a professional player should not be cramping up in the 75th minute
     
  20. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Jungo Fujimoto had a good game?
     
  21. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Glad Lee got a goal, he hasn't scored since the Australia game i don't think.
     
  22. karolb

    karolb Member

    Apr 16, 2008
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    for people who are thinking about rewatching the match: if you wanna see more offensive scenes than those shown in the highlight video there, forget about it (only some offside calls) ... there is pretty much all in that video :)
     
  23. theofaron

    theofaron Member

    May 11, 2011
    Club:
    Gamba Osaka
    Shades of U-23 versus Malaysia. But understandable considering it was mostly the B team, but it was even worse cuz they looked
    like they never even practiced together once.
     
  24. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    :rolleyes: It speaks volumes that asking about Makino has become in itself a joke. What I am beginning to like about him is that he seems not to care and tries as hard as he can.
     
  25. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    It was only a friendly but just from the highlights there are two very dubious calls, the one where Makino heads wide and the Kengo-pass to Lee near the end. Dont see anyone offside in both scenes.
     

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