Wondering if any Liverpool fans can use this power for good and put pressure on UN to intervene in Syria. I think I remembering reading an interview where Syrian president Bashar al-Assad had not nice things to say about Liverpool Football Club.
All I can find is liverpool fans re-tweeting a "confirmation" e-mail from Chris LaPlaca. But not the actual e-mail itself. Just a single sentence saying he won't contribute to ESPN. Not sure if I believe it or not. After all, it is liverpool fans we are talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a hoax e-mail. Funny thing is, I'm not even that big of a Steven Cohen fan. His soccer knowledge is really basic. He is unable to get into the nuances of the game. But that is not the issue here. It's the principle of it all. I just don't think low life scums should deny someone of an employment opportunity. Did he go overboard with some of his comments. Yes. But that doesn't give unemployed thugs the right to hound him for years. It would be really unfortunate if he didn't get the job because of the unemployed thugs.
You're right. I'm the one writing 10,000 word dissertation on "tragedy" of Hillsborough. I'm the one who has his panties up in a wad due to ESPN hiring someone. Astute observation there, sir. Very nice.
1. Yes, Really. Liverpool fans only acknowledged it when Juventus came to town for the CL. I understand the date of the Heysel disaster is now usually outside the football calendar but it took 25 years for Liverpool to place a memorial at Anfield. 25 years to remember football fans who murdered by Liverpool fans. Heysel is part of Liverpool and English football's history as much as Hillsborough. You can't pick which tragedies to feel bad about. 2. With Hillsborough clearly the police were at fault and I'm all for the records to be released. The families deserve it. I stand by Liverpool fans in the face of smears (most notably the Sun's) and those spreading falsities about the tragedy. Don't think that was ever the question. I just want to know why we should play up Hillsborough when Heysel was the uglier, more sinister event. Both tragic but Liverpool fans treat Heysel like an after thought. Hillsborough was a gross example of incompetence and corruption but Heysel was murder. Heysel was revenge for Rome but it's swept under the rug.
It took 25 years to remember those Juve fans. 25 years to put up a memorial, that's shameful. I have no complaints about the justice system. It's more about remembering 39 individuals who were murdered. My issue isn't Cohen and it has never been about Cohen. I don't care for the man. Your fans have the right to have your say I just don't understand why English fans are putting in on an American show. What Cohen said was vile but ultimately let the Americans deal with it. He lost two jobs I think from this, seems like he paid his price. What else do you want? These protests are slippery slopes, should Americans protest John Terry every time he plays? Just came in to find out why Hillsborough is always remembered when Heysel gets swept under the rug.
Obviously I can't speak for RevX but I think you are misunderstanding him; I suspect he means American fans 'that' don't understand rather than 'all' American fans. He's not suggesting Americans don't understand football at all.
I've seen the e-mail. It's from the person who received the bulk of the e-mails protesting the possible hiring of Cohen. His e-mail address was circulated on the Liverpool boards immediately after Cohen tweeted his future job plans. I imagine he'd never seen his in-box that full, that quickly. Cohen won't be working for ESPN. As for Liverpool fans commemorating Heysel, who amongst us likes to trumpet our past mistakes? For instance, I don't see any mention of WWII or the Holocaust in any of bayernfan's posts. You'd think, given that six million people died, and tens of millions died in a war his grandparents started, he'd acknowledge it as part of every post he made. But I can understand why he doesn't.
I don't care for Steven, much less his commentary on the game. I am glad I don't have to listen to his opinion on the game. But this on going campaign for what amounts to slander is a bit of a turn off. I see there is much satisfaction at it. At the end of the day, Steven won't starve, so it doesn't really matter.
Go F yourself. It asshats like you that we want to keep away from American soccer. We will make up our own minds who we want to listen to. If you do like him, don't listen.
Soccer is not a very hard game to understand and it is the most participated sport pre-teen. I am not sure he is not making a wider assumption.
Look everyone, here comes the inevitable nazi post. If you want to insult me, just go ahead and do so. Your sad attempt at passive aggressive insult just doesn't fly. You didn't do a good job hiding it. Hmm, maybe as punishment I should put you in a gas chamber.
I don't think it helps anyone here when "unemployed thugs" or "WWII" references are made. As for the LFC supporters, it scares me that they can amass such power over something that is such a minor blip in American culture, but I really wish there were more groups like them addressing the more important concerns of our day such as Wall Street shenanigans or money in politics. Or hell - even taking down the Sun for the crap they pulled with Hillsborough and that they have continued to do for decades on various other subjects. I suppose that would be a good case study to make as to why the tribe mentality exists for some subjects but not for others.
my biggest problem with him was it wasn't just talking about it at the anniversary but he'd go on and on and on about it for a lengthy period of time, and this was clearly an intent to rile up 'Pool fans. it's one thing to have a different opinion or talk about it on an anniversary but to go on so endlessly about such a emotional situation was asking for trouble IMO. he got what he deserved, if his fans felt so strongly they should've counter-boycotted. Freedom of speech is a great thing and works both way.
Yikes did you Liverpool freaks do it again? Well I personally I kind of like Steven, but at the end of the day I don't care. his inability to avoid complete arrogance did him in at the end of the day.
Eh...... Never liked him. Very boring shows. On the level of guys doing a radio show from their basement. Always seemed amateur. ESPN must be desperate to reach this low.
I have said it before in this therd I like Steven is he the best no but he is good at what he does. I hope his show takes off why because I think it will be nice to have 2 shows talking football it will be nice to have 2 driftnet inputs on the game. Also it will be good for wfd because they will have competion and like any other sports show when they have competion it makes the shows get better.
No one except the inside players knows exactly the story as to whether Cohen and Hassan were or weren't hired by ESPN, it would appear. Rumors for and against have been flying around. But it does seem that ESPN is making an effort to disassociate itself from controversy. Looking at the greater picture and not getting granular with comparing statements like for like, and so forth, ESPN pulled the plug on Hank Williams Jr. due to comments comparing Obama to Hitler. Again, I'm specifically not comparing Cohen's statements to those of Williams' or vice-versa, but perhaps ESPN has taken a corporate decision not to associate itself with those who would cause controversy? I'm not certain we'll ever know in the Cohen case, but if it was agreed in principle to hire him and then withdrawn, it certainly looks like Cohen (and Hassan?) jumped the gun in announcing and now look foolish.
Which is why it was so strange that they got in bed with him to begin with. Like I said earlier, it must have been a trial balloon.
If it was a trial ballon it was poorly executed. While you may very well be correct, I suspect it was probably more that ESPN either just did not do their research or they just didn't expect the backlash they received. I know not knowing his Hillsborough reputation might look ridiculous on the face of it, but the whole boycott thing really didn't percolate into the mainstream so it's very possible that they didn't explore it in depth, just focussing on WSD/WFD. Of course that there was no ESPN job at all and it was all a Cohen smokescreen also remains a possibility.
Steven did post a picture of the security booth and the ESPN sign on his facebook when he announced that he got hired by ESPN. After the first time he got wrapped on the knuckles by Fox on FFF for talking about the tragedy at Hillsbrough he should have just buried the topic instead of bringing up old wounds again on the radio show. That said I always thought in the back of my mind that Steven and Kenny used the LFC fallout as a way to spring the paywall model in leaving Sirius. I don't think Steven had any intention at all to stop doing the show and just used the idea that Kenny brought up that they should go to the subscription format. They had to think there was more money in getting 50 bucks a year a sub than having to bust ass in bringing in new advertisers especially after the LFC fans started haranguing the advertisers they had.