There is no source, its not true!! I've gone from monterrey to the american border, its not as close as it may seem, actually its like an hour drive. But then, theres a lot of police control and paper stuff that you have to do to enter the US that just delays the whole process. In addition, Mexicans need a special visa to enter the States, even for a connecting flight, so I find it difficult to believe that 15,000 mexicans, from monterrey, would take the time, effort, and money just to watch the cowboys each week. I have friends in monterrey and they say it isnt true. Dallas isnt that close to Monterrey anyway. Maybe theyre ticketholders...to their nice couch and cable TV, but certainly not to the cowboys
I tried finding some data on the web, but this is the best I have. It appears that 1,500 and not 15,000 Monterrey-residents have season-tickets for the Dallas Cowboys. Its a google search, and the 1st and 5th results give an indication in the short details. I tried to access the pages, but I'm having problems. I think you have to register with the second page (SBN). http://www.google.com/search?q=dall...ders&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N I previously said "15,000" because that is EXACLTY what I heard ESPN reporter Ed Werder say on ESPN last NFL season when doing a story on the Dallas Cowboys.
COWBOYS AND TEXANS BATTLING TO BECOME MEXICO'S TEAM http://www.insidecowboys.com/1998/2002/cowboys/team1120.html >>"Jones [Cowboys owner] said 1,500 season ticket holders live in Monterrey and fly up for home games at Texas Stadium." >>"From the sprawling Mexican capital to northern pueblos, Cowboys caps, jackets and shirts can be found everywhere." >>"NFL officials say that one in every five of Mexico's 100 million people is a football fan. They even say football has become Mexico's second-favorite spectator sport behind futbol, or soccer." >>"A game between the Cowboys and the Houston Oilers drew 112,000 fans to Mexico City's Azteca Stadium in 1994, the largest crowd ever for an NFL game." At this rate it looks like Mexico will soon be a converted NFL country!! LOL!
From a sports show that I saw, Dallas Cowboys had about 10K season ticket holders from Mexico. The majority of them residing in Monterrey. Now, I also heard on a sports show that the amount of season ticket holders went up this year in Mexico, because the NFL and Mexican TV networks did not come to an agreement hence Mexican fans did not have a way to catch NFL games. I actually have friends who bought American dish systems to catch NFL games. NFL was trying to eye gouge the Mexican Networks. NFL is popular, but still not enough to expect Televisa or TV Azteca to pay a huge sum of money. I think NFL screwed up and probabaly lost some fans. Its die hard fans spent more money (flying to New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Pheonix) but the general fan that is still not 100% fanatical, is probably gone. Jerry Jones was upset and hopes that the NFL comes to an agreement with Mexican Networks for the upcoming season.
Monterrey to Reynosa is less than an hour and a half. The border crossing on lets say a Friday night is not that bad going into the US. 30 minutes tops. You stay at a motel near McAllen's airport 30 bucks. the plane ticket which is most likely to be southwest and with months in advance will probably be anywhere from 60-110 at the most roundtrip... How do I know this???because we have done it. When I use to live in Tampico.. which is 6 hours away from the border.. we would drive to McAllen.. do a little shopping, take off to Houston on a plane and watch a Stros game when Fernando Valenzuela would go play. When airfare became even more cheaper going to and from McAllen to Houston... a lot of folks do it. I remember the folks from Sinaloa and Nuevo Leon would come by the BUTLOADS to the Astrodome. The trafic was just bad. You are talking about at least 100 buses. ITs not that hard to believe... I too have seen that report on the news.. not all of them live in Monterrey, but the majority of them do. You are not taking the whole family... 2-3 folks at the most.
You did this because you lived in Tampico, and Im guessing you would do it every once in a while. But who would do thes every single weekend? I don't know how long ago you were in Mexico, but crossing the border is not as simple as it was, trust me...Im guessing youre american which makes it all that much easier...its not true, i stick to my story. Nobody in their right mind is gonna spend 150 bux per week to watch a cowboys game, its not right, nobody is going to stand in line for a whole morning and pay an outrageous amount of money to get a visa to watch a Football game..no way Im in mexico now, today, ahora, I speak to people that live in monterrey daily, and it is not as easy as you depict it. But still, it is completely besides the point, because, if u say u have seen reports, I urge u to post them here...
You did this because you lived in Tampico, and Im guessing you would do it every once in a while. I dont remember how long or how many times we did it, but i know I went to the dome many times as a kid when i was living in Mexico. But who would do thes every single weekend? Cowboys dont play every weekend at Texas Stadium. I don't know how long ago you were in Mexico, but crossing the border is not as simple as it was, trust me...Im guessing youre american which makes it all that much easier...its not true, i stick to my story. I have both citizenships. i have both passports. I have never had problems. And when I go shopping and I cross as a Mexican for one reason.. to get the sales tax back (if its a significant amount of course). but no one has to know about that Nobody in their right mind is gonna spend 150 bux per week to watch a cowboys game, its not right, nobody is going to stand in line for a whole morning and pay an outrageous amount of money to get a visa to watch a Football game..no way ITs easier now with that laser visa. think about it. You are talking about a different social status. These folks are educated and have money. Do you really think that a border patrol officer is really going to think that a Mexican (with a son or wife) driving a late model BMW SUV is thinking of crossing the border with the intent to live and work illegally in the US? Oh yeahhhh like that guy is really going to sneak into the US to work as an illegal alien.. when he paid 2 times more for that car in Mexico. and the one that flew... not going to have a problem either. but most of these folks that do it take advantage of Houston, McAllen, San Antonio for some shopping and then go to the games. Im in mexico now, today, ahora, I speak to people that live in monterrey daily, and it is not as easy as you depict it. But still, it is completely besides the point, because, if u say u have seen reports, I urge u to post them here.. i really cant post TV interviews, but if i see another one on Noticiero TD ill be sure to put a link. In fact a couple weeks ago on a friday, Noticero TD has forums where they invite college students (who are majoring in communications).. and the students ask questions & criticize the Televisa reporters.. they ask why they do things a certain ways,, they ask why they couldnt finalize a deal with the NFL last year.. and stuff like that but I am living proof of it. Hell, 3 of my friends from Tampico have season tickets to the Spurs. How many games do they go to??? not that many, but thier folks have houses in San Antonio and when they come to San Antonio or have uncles or cousins that go to San Antonio... they usually go to catch games. I dont know why you are so shocked, not every Mexican earns peanuts and rides a mule
Exactly! Why are some people finding it hard to believe that 1,500, maybe more, Mexicans (Monterrey-residents) have Dallas Cowboys season-tickets? I already posted the link confirming it. Two people here said they are witnesses to it. Monterrey has the most home satellite dishes per capita income than any other Latin America city. It has plenty of rich folks! Do you WANT to believe its not true? Jones [Cowboys owner] said 1,500 season ticket holders live in Monterrey and fly up for home games at Texas Stadium. http://www.insidecowboys.com/1998/2002/cowboys/team1120.html
I could buy 1,500, but this is what we've had a problem w/... Also, a few things mentioned above: 1. NFL/Dallas gear in Mexico: most of it is counterfeit, primarily b/c they charge way too much for the OG stuff. 2. Baseball and pro-wrestling are arguably bigger than American rules football. On the Pacific Coast, baseball is bigger than soccer. AFAIK, no region has American rules football as the #1 sport. The NFL exhibition at Azteca: although a big deal, realize that Mexico WNT vs. Japan in a WC playoff drew 110K. How popular, really, is women's footie in Mexico? W/o a doubt, the NFL has potential in a country that does play the sport; and every major newspaper covers NFL extensively.
I don't know if this means anything, but I've been seeing a lot more gridiron lines on the turf at stadiums during broadcasts Mexican league games. Last weekend during a Pumas home game was an example. And for the record, basketball is quite popular in Mexico too. A lot of towns have teams. But one of the ports that's enormously popular (if you choose to call it a sport) is auto racing. Very big in Cental and South America.
2. Baseball and pro-wrestling are arguably bigger than American rules football. On the Pacific Coast, baseball is bigger than soccer. AFAIK, no region has American rules football as the #1 sport. IT all depends the regions you go to. THe interior parts of Mexico know and watch NFL. I would probably make a good case saying that the 2nd biggest rivalry in Mexican sports is between the IPN white donkeys and the UNAM pumas. I have not been to those games in years, but sold out every time. There have been more violent incidents at those games than America-Chivas games. They have even suspended matches and for many years did not allow those games to take place. Tec, UDLA are much better football schools but people are still nostalgic about those 2 teams when they play each other. great games. The NFL exhibition at Azteca: although a big deal, realize that Mexico WNT vs. Japan in a WC playoff drew 110K. How popular, really, is women's footie in Mexico? The they never sold out the stadium. the lower bowl and some of the upper bowl was full.. at the most 55K and I am being generous. still a great turnout for a womans match in Mexico.. a game they had been marketed for a while W/o a doubt, the NFL has potential in a country that does play the sport; and every major newspaper covers NFL extensively. you know why I dont find it hard to believe that there are 10 maybe even 15K or probabaly even more Mexican that have a permamant home in Mexico but have a house in the US... because unlike the US where the majority of football players come from lower social classes, the players and fans who watch and follow the game in Mexico come from middle to upper class. You have to pretty much go to a private schools to play that game (i dont think its a coincidence that UDLA and Tec have won the title the past 12 years. they are private institutions. and have financial backing) Public schools in Mexico for the most part do not throw out money for American football. most of the money that is used for athletics is for basketball and soccer (a lot cheaper) and even STILL... Mexico's SEP (sec. of public education) and its state governments do not give a lot of money to schools for sports. most folks still believe money received should be used for academic purposes. up until recently, the movement is to have sports funded at a national level and even have a ministry of athletics.
Let me explain my point to all of you mindless jerks that love to throw terms and names around. The same people that support chivas usa seem to be pretty much the same people that live in this country, most likely even born in this country, that identify themselves as mexican-american. The bad thing is that they rather be more mexican than american. They most likely are the same people that LIVE in Texas and showed up Wed. night wearing a green shirt supporting mexico. I'd also bet that if another country showed up to play the usa they'd would have stayed home and pretty much not really cared at all. If they did show for other usa games than you would see a crowd of 45,000 for all usa games in Texas and the Burn would have better support. Show me how the mexican community in this counrty supports usa soccer anywhere near the numbers they support mexico eventhough they live here and most likely have a us passport or an american drivers lic. Why do they still consider themselves more mexican than american. Why do you only support mexican MFL clubs and why do they not support us soccer? Seems like their alligence is not to this country or to our league. Solve this problem and you'll crack the nut "of how to attract the latin soccer fan to MLS". Go ahead and start throwing around terms like racist because nobody has been able to justify why there is still a sea of green shirts for a usa home game. The proof is in the stadium stands where the alligence of the mexican community stands. It's not with there "home" country.
suffice to say that you're operating on a legion of assumptions, poorly thought out to boot. i'll reserve comment for a later hour...
I'm not assuming that ALL mexican-americans don't support MLS or us soccer, but the proof is in the attendance and in the sea of gren that you see at the stadiums. Perhaps their allegence is to mex and they support the us in every other game, but that's not the case either. If so then you would see 45,000 when the US plays any other team. The mexican that live in the us don't support us soccer. Also it's no secret that too many hold onto being more mexican than american. Not all mexican-american but the numbers are dissapointing.
The main assumption is that there are no legitimate historical, social, political or economic reasons for this "allegiance" to which you speak. The US Mexican identity is extremely complex, base on the fact that the South West used to be a part of Mexico and literally overnight, its inhabitants went from being "Mexican" to being "American". In short, the border crossed them, they didn't cross the border. The border wasn't "closed" until the 30's. Even the national symbol (an eagle eating a snake on top of a cactus) harkens back to a myth that was born in what is currently the South West US. The same people that support chivas usa seem to be pretty much the same people that live in this country, most likely even born in this country, that identify themselves as mexican-american. The bad thing is that they rather be more mexican than american. Which came first: the chicken or the egg? Seriously, you make it sound as if immigrants are welcomed here like Jesus Christ was welcomed in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. In fact, the treatment of immigrants, especially those that are forced to cross a "border" whose sole purpose is to appease politicians and NOT as a deterent for ppl to come looking for jobs in a labor market that DESPERATELY wants them, is closer to a crucifixion than anything. I was born here, moved to a right wing military dictatorship and then moved back to the US again. At age 6, I was totally open to a new culture, but once ppl heard my accent or saw me ask my brothers or cousins a question in Spanish, the stares and the ensuant, "You're not .......... Mexican, are you?" instilled in me a fear of being Latino, that being Mexican, or Latino by extension, was somehow a disgusting thing to be. So naturally, as an adult, I'm damn proud of my heritage and I realize that there is nothing to be ashamed of. However, it still doesn't take away from the fact that more Mexicans have been lynched in this country than blacks, thanks primarily to pinche Rinches (that's the Texas Rangers). My darker skinned brother gets pulled over repeatedly b/c of his skin color. In fact, the last Galaxy game I went to at the Rose Bowl, I drove his car and he laid down in the back seat so as not to get pulled over by the South Pasadena cops, who pull over black men b/c they're ... black. They most likely are the same people that LIVE in Texas and showed up Wed. night wearing a green shirt supporting mexico. I'd also bet that if another country showed up to play the usa they'd would have stayed home and pretty much not really cared at all. If they did show for other usa games than you would see a crowd of 45,000 for all usa games in Texas and the Burn would have better support. It sounds like you have more of a beef w/ the Gringos in the Dallas area than the Mexicans. Dallas has a bit less than 900K Mexicans living in the area, out of a population of 5.2 million. About 3% of the Dallas Mexican community showed up to support their homeland. What about the 4.1 million non-Latinos in the Dallas area? .2%. THAT, amigo, is sad. You should be capping on your Gringo brethren for not showing up in force, not the Latinos. Oh, and who benefits economically from US Mexicans supporting El Tri in Dallas? US Soccer and USMNT. Dallas Burns' miserable attendance last year can be tied to the fact that they 1. sucked, 2. the stadium sucked 3. LOST THEIR MEXICAN fans. Do you think that The Home Depot Center would've been built if it weren't for the guaranteed economic clout of LA Latinos? Home Depot would NOT have agreed to spend so much money on the stadia at the compound if it weren't for the fact that Mexicans/Latinos DO support the Galaxy and the Mexican Nats were going to play there frequently. FYI: Home Depot is facing stiff competition from Lowes in a battle for LA. By picking a sport (soccer) that is #1 amongst a demographic that studies show has a rising middle class and the resultant disposable income, Home Depot has disproved your poorly thought out "logic". Why do you only support mexican MFL clubs and why do they not support us soccer? Bitch out all the Europhiles as well. MFL has a long history. World soccer has a long history. I'm an MLS fan and a USMNT fan, but I will not give up my allegiance to the club of my youth, my father's club, my family's club. Nor will I give up cheering for my patria. It's a family tradition. nobody has been able to justify why there is still a sea of green shirts for a usa home game. Nor has anybody been able to justify much mistreatment of immigrants and anybody of color that has pervaded this country's history. Nor has anybody been able to justify literally thousands of laws in California alone that sought to institutionalize discrimination and class difference based on color/ethnicity. Nor has anybody been able to justify why Gringos just refuse to go to USMNT games. Nobody has been able to justify why the US press trashes soccer left and right and states that "Americans don't like soccer" when, in fact, AMERICANS of Latino ascent DO like soccer. Are they not "American" enough?
While Dark Knight gave a much more succinct to Dr. Crap, I must condemn him (the Doctor, not the DK) for busting out a well-worn (and incorrect) anti-El Cry fan screed. I doubt anything less than a vast majority of those wearing Green shirts in Dallas on Wednesday were not born in the US. Also, thanks for making Carlos bust out with his Texas Rangers macro.
Why do you only support mexican MFL clubs and why do they not support us soccer? Bitch out all the Europhiles as well. MFL has a long history. World soccer has a long history. I'm an MLS fan and a USMNT fan, but I will not give up my allegiance to the club of my youth, my father's club, my family's club. Nor will I give up cheering for my patria. It's a family tradition. Who you you support when the two teams play if you are a fan of both? nobody has been able to justify why there is still a sea of green shirts for a usa home game. Nor has anybody been able to justify much mistreatment of immigrants and anybody of color that has pervaded this country's history. Nor has anybody been able to justify literally thousands of laws in California alone that sought to institutionalize discrimination and class difference based on color/ethnicity. Nor has anybody been able to justify why Gringos just refuse to go to USMNT games. Nobody has been able to justify why the US press trashes soccer left and right and states that "Americans don't like soccer" when, in fact, AMERICANS of Latino ascent DO like soccer. Are they not "American" enough? Who you you support when the two teams play if you are a fan of both? Isn't Gringo like ************?
I don't know how to say this but as a child of immigrants(Ireland) it is very hard to not have feelings for the country of my parents birth. This is the reason that I see where some of the Mexican-Americans come from. Look at section 8 in chicago, when poland comes to chicago do you think the majority of the Polish fans(that sit in section 8) will cheer for the US mens team? I find it very hard to believe. I actually loved the 1-1 tie(Ireland and the USA) had a few years ago, because i'm so passionate about both teams. Oh well enough of a rant. CHEEEECAGO FIIIIRE
They might still have feelings for their parents country, but is it strong enough to root against the US team?
I was readng the USA today last week and looked at the faces and names of those boys who died fighting for Haliburton, er I mean for the red white, and blue and I noticed most of them were hispanic. My friend is a marine and has served a tour in Iraq and is awaiting a call to go back and his unit is 90% hispanic and many of those are Mexican Americans.
1. Spain has never played the US in the WC, thankfully. I hope it never happens. 2. "Gringo" can be derogatory, but it can be simply a name for a white (non-Latino) person.