MLS Attendance Analysis: Week 27

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by edwardgr, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. LLSGE

    LLSGE Member

    Oct 18, 2010
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah what he said!

    Over ten percent better than the second best year, 1996.
     
  2. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Chicago is having an "interesting" year. The reported numbers are in fact lower than last year, but the actual paid attendance is up. I believe the number reported in July was 19% higher paid attendance over 2010. There's a link to a quote but I don't have it handy.

    Regardless, revenue and sales are up while reported attendance is down. It's a bit of an anomaly that makes things a bit tricky to discuss.
     
  3. delo_pata

    delo_pata Member

    Jan 12, 2001
    Durham, NC
    Most importantly, when the distribution has extreme values at one end (such as when there is a special event or two like the old doubleheaders, or in the case of MLS salaries where one or two salaries are extreme compared to the rest) the median is generally a better representation of "typical" than the average.

    I have to say that I'm glad that sanity has been restored here. Just a few years back people were trying to argue--quite emphatically--that the median was an example of how fancy academic thinking about numbers didn't apply to the "real world." :rolleyes:
     
  4. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But what's the kurtosis of the data set?



    ;)
     
  5. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was commenting that the percent difference in median attendance is NOT the delta.
     
  6. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where's that perceived attendance thead?
     
  7. Bremas

    Bremas Member

    Sep 30, 2009
    This an important point. This year might be the best attendance year yet based on the numbers we track. But, and it's a point often made around here, we've been posting our best numbers for some time already. No doubleheaders, less freebies, and increased ticket prices. Most of what we are seeing are fans putting down hard earned money, in a down economy, to watch MLS.
     
  8. Bariaga

    Bariaga Member

    Jul 9, 2008
    Plus increased number of games. This is the part I was afraid of before the season began that it would just divide the (mostly) casual fans in attendance by more games and bring down the average attendance or offset whatever gains made by 2 new teams and a stadium. The fanbase is more hardcore than I thought!
     
  9. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Generally I would think more dates means more chances for the casual fan to find the right date in which to attend a game. With fewer dates there are fewer opportunities to fit one in. Plus, the new stadiums and expansions mean many teams have really helped up the number of season ticket holders, thus providing a strong foundation upon which attendance doesn't fluctuate wildly and walk ups and single-game sales are less relied upon. Some boost has come from being strong finishers the prior season [Colorado and FCD].

    And in advance I think there will be 20,323 at Jeld-Wen.
     
  10. LLSGE

    LLSGE Member

    Oct 18, 2010
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was just announced 20,323 in Portland
     
  11. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]

    i kid

    And now for my next performance, I will already state the Timbers season average attendance will be: 18826.5
     
  12. Bremas

    Bremas Member

    Sep 30, 2009
    Damn, I was a doubter at first, but.....
    Hey, while you're at it, what's the price of corn going to be next month?
     
  13. SounderFanInAL

    SounderFanInAL New Member

    Aug 14, 2011
    Mobile,AL
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Very empty at BMO Field today. More empty seats than full. Curious to know the actual attendance today."-Jason DeVos

    Which is really surprising considering Toronto's historically solid attendance. I wonder what the reason is.
     
  14. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    probably something to do with the fact they really, really suck.
     
  15. RSwenson

    RSwenson Member

    Feb 1, 2000
    Mojo and pent-up demand can carry a team for 3, maybe 5 years... Then general suckitude (both organizational and on the field) catches up with them...

    The NE Revs WERE the TFC, Sounders, and Timbers of the first 4 years of MLS... you could throw the doors open and get >20K a substantial percentage of the time (I know, it sounds hard to believe at this point)...

    That is why I get really concerned when teams come into the league and draw big crowds and then seem to be completely complacent or, worse, where they seem to go out of their way to pi$$ off supporters... Once you have turned a fan base into the Revs, circa 2010 it is REALLY hard to get any traction (I am not sure anyone has figured out how to do it yet (though KC might be on the cusp of doing it)...

    Maybe that is the only recipe for a failed organization... entirely new local owners, a brand new SSS and a complete rebrand... I fear that we will never find out in New England...
     
  16. Scoey

    Scoey Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Portland
    Agree 100%. TFC needs to right the ship soon w/regard to quality on the field and fan/FO relations. Would hate to see them on the road to Revland... I think there is still time for them to avoid going down that road, but they're at a critical juncture.
     
  17. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    RSL looks like they should have a big crowd tonight. The team just tweeted that they released a couple of hundred standing room only tickets. I assume they must be at or very close to a sellout to announce that.
     
  18. SounderFanInAL

    SounderFanInAL New Member

    Aug 14, 2011
    Mobile,AL
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They've already sold-out tonight. Even more impressive is the fact that the "Holy War" (BYUvUtah) game is tonight as well.
     
  19. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    The Union had a tweet about limited tickets as well... should be another 18,500+ game....
     
  20. SounderFanInAL

    SounderFanInAL New Member

    Aug 14, 2011
    Mobile,AL
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No attendance report on the TFC-COL recap on mlssoccer.com. That usually isn't a good sign.
     
  21. THE_Wiz_Kid

    THE_Wiz_Kid BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 13, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I heard the announcer say 20k something during the game
     
  22. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Galaxy game tonight was the last game that unused season tickets could be exchanged for so I wouldn't be surprised to see 25k+ at the HDC tonight.
     
  24. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    They're having a concert after the game (One Republic? I've never heard of them, but it's apparently popular). Extra tickets have been harder to come by than usual.
     
  25. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    15,246 in Chicago
     

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