it isn't like the couple of weeks the players spend with their NT make much of a difference condition wise.. if they don't have the foundation from their Club training 3-4 weeks training camp before a WC or Gold Cup doesn't make much of a difference specially if you think about that you maybe want to practice a little tactics etc. too and not only condition so.. since the majority of the USMNT plays in Europe anyway what kind of fitness training the MLS Clubs do matters very little to the USMNT
In the US, soccer players are "outsiders" just due to the status of the sport in the US. And the US is a nation of immigrants in general, and its soccer team is especially a polyglot. I mean, look at our first XI...Donovan could play for Canada, Jozy could play for Haiti, Howard could play for Hungary, etc. Just pulling a number out of my ass, I'll bet that half our pool could play for another nation. Point being, a half black/half white son of an American serviceman, even if he has spent almost his whole life in Germany, might feel more at home at the US camp than the German camp. I still remember Chandler's comment about how he had a bad experience at a German youth camp (sounds vaguely Nazi-ish when I phrase it that way, doesn't it?) and was never going back. Sounded much, much worse than the Subotic Snub.
This is probably closer to the truth. The USMNT has great conditioning. MLS...ehh I don't know. With the travel, the weather, and all the games...they are just trying to get the guys ready to play the game. Most MLS games are not really played at a breakneck pace either.
What part of his life did Fabian spend out of Germany? To my knowledge, apart from vacations, he has always lived in Germany. He played his first year of soccer at a local club and then transferred to the 1860 youth academy. From there he made the pro team as was, unfortunately, forced to be sold due to financial issues at the club. Fabian is hardly like Rossi who was born in the US, spent a fair amount of time here and then left and has forgotten his Citizenship. Fabian has always been German and working to make the NT. The fact he is interested in the USMNT is more opportunistic than anything. Loew is in love with a few other players and Fabian is short man on that list. I see Subotic as opportunistic the other way: He was in the US system (just like Johnson was in the German system) and then, when another opportunity presented itself in his homeland, he went. Don't see how that is much different than what Fabian is doing.
I have talked to some mixed players "american german and turk german" and they dont feel like they are welcomed so much and it does depend on the region you are in and I'm not saying anything about what there German Bund experience was because I was not there.
Every cursory look over a team sheet of one of the German youth teams that Mr. Johnson played with and won the European Championship no less easily shows that what you are trying to insinuate is simply nonsense. But if that makes you happy. In the end it is only to deflect from the fact that JK is at the moment filling up your team with a bunch of people who seem to have a distinct lack of loyalty to the society they were brought up in and fostered. The stellar opposite of what Americans want from their teams. In no way better than Subotic. But I have no problem with Subotic. It is a perfectly good decision. But why you feel the need to talk bullshit about German soccer?
There is a difference between Subotic and Johnson. Johnson never had an opportunity to play for Germany's A-Team whereas Subotic got several invitations that he declined. Johnson could have waited a bit longer though, but I think he simply knows his chances are very, very slim. In the end, it's only football. I agree. it's very obvious that this is a decision based on the simple fact that he wants to play international football but Germany can't offer him that. He even admitted it more or less. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he's half-black. Most of the teams he played with for the National team consisted of 40-60% immigrants. Look at the squad that won the U21 Euro final. The lineup was Neuer - Beck (Russia), Höwedes, Boateng (Ghana), Boenisch (Poland) - Johnson (USA), Castro (Spain), Khedira (Tunisia), Özil (Turkey) - Wagner (Bavaria). Sebastian Boenisch is playing for Poland now, for the same reason. And he isn't black, he even has a German name.
Its one thing to have an immigrant play to your country play on the national team, and a completely different thing to have someone who never even set foot in your country play on your national team. I think the latter goes against the spirit of international footie. I understand some people disagree, but the thing I cherish most about supporting USA is watching the growth in player development. That's joy is completely lacking when we play players who've never even been here, regardless of how "american" those players feel or I feel they are.
Don't think it is as bad as all that. Footyfan1 lives this as his kids are exactly that. Not saying racism is dead, but things are more accepted and integrated than 15 years ago when this might have been more visible. Certainly when I was younger this issue was never around as there simply were far fewer mix couples than there are today. They were kids when they did. Rossi because he was 12, essentially grew up playing in Italy and played for his parent's homeland. Subotic was the reverse of Rossi. Classic! Das war's von oan typische noad deitscha. Someone else got it.
None that I know of. I was including Jermaine Jones in my reference there, and IIRC, he lived in the US for a couple of years when he was very young.
This is news to us. Our understanding is that Subotic wanted to play for Germany and even made statements to that effect, but he wasn't eligible. I think he wasn't a German citizen at the time, and/or he wasn't a German citizen when he played for the US U-17 team.
names or it never happend German team last WC semifinal vs. Spain of 11 starters 6 could have played for other countries.. Boateng (Ghana), Khedira (Tunisia), Özil (Turkey), Klose, Podolski, Trochowski (all Poland)... of the 23 players on the WC squad in addition to the starters in the semifinal.. Aogo (Nigeria), Tasci (Turkey), Marin (Serbia or Bosnia), Cacau (Brazil), Gomez (Spain).. so 11 out of 23 .. insinuating the German NT is racist is just retarded except for your biased there is nothing that supports the claim whatever happened at the youth camp was "nazi-ish" or had anything to do with race at all..
While I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the German setup and the fact that so many who play for Germany could play somewhere else, I don't think the poster was saying the Chandler incident had nazi-like overtones, they were just making an kind of jape about the phrasing given the historical realities (bad experience, German, camp).
Well then I'm glad I didn't do that. To people whose first language is English, "German youth camp" sounds vaguely Nazi-ish. That's all I was saying.
Germany does not equal Bayern. The teams are run very differently and Bayern is just a personality disaster without a coach reigning it in.
But 1/3 of their last Euro qualifying squad came from Bayern, a couple other were former Bayern player. That why the two are so closely tied.
From time to time this happens. But by and large in any large footballing nation you will have the top three teams sending most of the players to the national team. Sometimes that is skewed just a bit as in the case you mention. But the mentality of the NT in Germany is anything but Bayern-like. Run very different...and for good reason. But we are getting horribly off topic now.
Well the last 5 pages or so were a giant waste of time. I thought discussions like this were for the USMNT forum? Questions designed to bring the YA boards down completely: Who feels less accepted, a German player with an African-American GI father, or an African-American YA in Scotland?
Yeeks! I'm going to use uniteo's post to ask that folks take the national team talk to the appropriate forum.