08/30: Coffee Is For Closers: USOC Semi, Seattle Sports-Bras vs FCD [R]

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by stopper4, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Insert Castillo and Ferreira against these guys during the playoffs and I think the tables turn completely.
     
  2. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I hope we get them in the playoffs. If we win, it'll be sweeter than last year against Salt Lick.
     
  3. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very disappointing stuff from FCD tonight. Connecting on the simplest of passes was too tough an order. The first touch for the majority of the players was non existent tonight. George came on and made a difference, and helped calm the back line. Brek didn't have a great game, but his teammates didn't make the best decisions with the ball when they had clear opportunities to give it to him him threatening areas. I'm looking at you Chavez and Ruiz.

    And WTF is up is Chavez? Just horrible decisions. Kicking the ball all over the place. I wish Brek had the opportunity to play in a more free flowing offense with guys who see the game quicker. It's fustrating as hell to watch him trying to connect with and play off teammates.
     
  4. sweeper33

    sweeper33 Member

    Jul 24, 2000
    Hell if I know
     
  5. Jonny Bishop

    Jonny Bishop Member

    Sep 18, 2004
    Tacoma
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the Seattle area but I come in peace. Just got back from the game and wanted to compliment you all on tight match that really could have gone either way. Your guys show class on the field and I've really come to admire Hyndman over the last couple of seasons. I wish you luck from here on out, except for when you play us.
     
  6. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    Good observation about Shea.

    Yes, I still could be mad at Carlos Ruiz leaving us but I have let it go.
     
  7. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there is a foreign player limit in the US Open Cup. I'm guessing Dallas used their's up.
     
  8. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll first admit to sour grapes but I'll be glad when the US Open Cup and MLS decide they are as important as summer exhibition matches and only allow games on large grass fields. The environment around the game was great and cozy but small fake grass fields greatly change the game. It reminds me of some of those soccer console games for kids when you pick different field surfaces like ice, sand or rock.
     
  9. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This actually kept me awake last night, trying to work out the scenarios. It seems to me that we now need help. Best that I can tell, to get back in the next CCL, we should now be hoping for Seattle to win the Open Cup and LA the Supporters Shield. Then we need to finish the season as #2 or #3. It seems pretty clear at this point that LA, Seattle and Dallas are the best three teams in the league. Which, as you point out from Davis' column, leaves us needing to likely go through both Seattle and LA to even get to the MLS Cup final. A tough road. (Though it's true that we managed that tough road last year:))

    Here's why I have a little optimism despite that tough road: even if we don't make it to the MLS Cup, finishing #2 or #3 should get us in the CCL, because of the likelihood that either LA or Seattle will end up in two of the four spots allocated for the CCL. I'm pretty sure that if a team ends up in two of the four spots, then one of those spots goes to the highest remaining team on the Supporters Shield table. That's how it was done for the 09-10 edition.

    To put it more clearly, assuming LA wins the Supporters Shield and Seattle wins the Open Cup, and either one of them makes it to the MLS Cup, then Dallas would make it back into the CCL by finishing in 2 or 3 in the SS. Yeah, it's not ideal, but it's something to keep in the back of our minds. A secondary goal along with actually winning the MLS Cup.
     
  10. paladius

    paladius Member

    Sep 27, 2003
    Frisco, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Add to that a healthy Jackson and I totally agree.
     
  11. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    What if we win the CCL this season? Do we get automatic entrance next year?
     
  12. vichuck

    vichuck Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    New Braunfels
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great analysis and from my understanding of the allocation system, you are right.

    There is no auto-bid for reigning champs. The bid has to be re-earned each year through one of the same 4 slots (USOC, SS, MLS Cup finalist).
     
  13. E Diddy

    E Diddy Member

    Jul 1, 2003
    Hutto, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some thoughts from last night:

    1) We are being forced to see what clubs worldwide have experienced - too many fixtures.
    2) Our boys are tired and not sharp, and I would say at risk of injury.

    Talent and system, we are in the top 3 in the league. Clearly our best remaining chances at trophies now are MLS Cup and CCL.

    I want MLS cup more than the rest of them. We have to shut mouths in LA and Seattle.

    Cooler weather will sharpen our play and energy level. I just hope it gets here by October.
     
  14. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    Cruz and Chavez are critical connectors to Santos and Shea.

    Cruz and Chavez had atrocious performances.

    Quite frankly, I would've put Stewart and John in early after learning that Chavez and Cruz were WAY out of sync, and pushed up Jair and Ugo. Then again, I sometimes think SH subs are just as bad as Cruz's and Chavez's performances in this game.
     
  15. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    We gotta get more out of our free kicks. Having Cap't Danny hit them into the wall over and over again ain't doing it. This are good opportunities that we are just letting slip away. In games like last night's free kick opportunities can make a huge difference. With our defense being as good as it is we are fools not to put more emphasis on free kicks.
     
  16. Valknut

    Valknut Member

    Jul 27, 2005
    Frisco, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Biggest mistake by Hyndman in almost 2 years. Devastating for those of us who care about the USOC and the trophy case, spiderwebs and all. Just a terrible decision but with MLS being a bush league and trotting out referees that change the outcome of championship deciding games, how can we fans really be expected to care?
     
  17. vichuck

    vichuck Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    New Braunfels
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Concur that the refs were terrible, but that is the USOC's fault, not MLS.
     
  18. Valknut

    Valknut Member

    Jul 27, 2005
    Frisco, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lot of blame to go around on this one. In addition to Hyndman and MLS, the FC Dallas front office is also to blame. Seattle is basically hosting this tournament as they know that's the only way they can win it. Keller realizes it:

    "Big credit to the organization by helping us out and being able to host so many games. That makes a huge difference for us and the organization has this environment for us to play in," Seattle goalkeeper Kasey Keller said. "There are a lot of reasons we're in our third final."

    Hyndman doesn't get it:

    "We were, I think, a little bit intimidated by the whole event," Dallas coach Schellas Hyndman said. "I think a lot of things weren't going our way and I think we just kind of got wrapped up."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/soccer/news/story?id=6911838
     
  19. Valknut

    Valknut Member

    Jul 27, 2005
    Frisco, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct but let's not pretend there isn't any correlation much less outright collusion.
     
  20. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    No team should be able to play every game of a tournament at home, that's just dumb.
     
  21. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As much as I hate it, I can't call it dumb. Annoying, yes. But until the tournament better funds itself, the only way to keep it going is for the teams to care enough to pay more of the costs themselves.

    Seattle really cares. Chicago really cares. DC United really cares.

    FCD doesn't care as much as they do.

    Sad. Annoying. But, with where the tournament is right now, not dumb.

    It also helps if you can be confident that you'll pull in a good crowd. As much as Dallas is improving in that regard, they're not there yet. So I can understand them not putting in a stronger bid.
     
  22. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Dallas played what basically amounted to starters every game of the Open Cup. I think it's pretty silly to say FCD doesn't care as much as these other clubs. Chicago got outbid by Seattle for the final too. Because none of us know exactly how the bids are decided, I think it's a little far to cast too much blame on the FO in this situation.
     
  23. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We can talk all we want about organization/refereeing/venue, etc..........

    What I see is that Seattle is just flat out better than we are right now. They beat us at home. They beat us away. They demolished/destroyed/pollaxed the East leaders last weekend.

    Chavez and Shea look worn out, which was bound to happen. Santos doesn't fit in yet. And on and on...............

    The good news is we're in fantastic shape in the CCL & basically out of the Supporter's Shield race (sorry to break that bit of bad news).............so we have a month to figure things out going into the MLS Cup playoffs.

    If Shea, Chavez and company need a break, we can now give it to them.
     
  24. Valknut

    Valknut Member

    Jul 27, 2005
    Frisco, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Knowing what we know then does the blame lie with the fans?

    BTW, can 7PM Saturday get here fast enough? Poor Golden Hurricanes. :D
     
  25. Valknut

    Valknut Member

    Jul 27, 2005
    Frisco, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Disagree. They did little to win either of the last 2 games against FCD. The absence of George John had everything to do with them winning those games. The teams are evenly matched at best. At best.
     

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