Houston @ Revs, 8/17/11, 8pm [R]

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by patfan1, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's true. I remember when George Steinbrenner fired all the medical staff one year because the pitching staff had nagging injuries. I'm no yankee fan but would applaud some type of move to address these incessant, nagging, annual Rev health issues.
     
  2. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm desperately hoping that Caraglio finds the net tonight and the Revs pull off an upset.*

    *I hate that the Revs are playing a home game and it has to be termed an upset if we win. :mad:
     
  3. Abebe

    Abebe Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I take it as a good thing when Nyassi is out (bless him).
     
  4. Abebe

    Abebe Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we all have to give Caraglio time; he just is not in playing shape. In about 3-4 weeks he will be able to do things.

    I think he is going to do some hold up play, but if he gets a lucky bounce, maybe a goal. The potential is there.
     
  5. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we fall to Houston and KC win tonight, then DC beats Chicago on Thursday, and we fall NY this weekend, the mathematical projection would suggest we'll need 47 points (total) to qualify for the playoffs.

    To achieve this, we will theoretically need 26 points in our remaining 8 games. 3.25 points per game. No problem :rolleyes:
     
  6. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    They have to play another forward up top next to Caraglio.

    Hell, I'd put Benny there as a withdrawn forward to take advantage of his shot and relieve him of defensive duties that only tire him out.

    No more of this 4-5-1 masquerading as a 4-3-3.

    Here's the litmus test--if Caraglio is having to turn and run at/beat multiple defenders off the dribble from 30-40 yards out, our offense isn't working, Mr. Nicol!
     
  7. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just wanted to clarify that we won't be mathematically eliminated. Mathematical elimination from the playoffs will likely occur in mid September.
     
  8. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Playing with an additional forward, unfortunately, will surrender more possession to the other team IMO. I'd be fine with Feilhaber playing withdrawn forward, however.

    I see this all the time on the Rev forum, but I really have to respectfully disagree with the entire notion.

    We do play a 4-3-3. This issue isn't the formation, the issue is the ability of the players and lack of possession. When a team surrenders possession and doesn't press high (due to lack of team speed and organization), the wingers in a 4-3-3 have to come back on defense to defend against the opposing outside wing-backs.

    In short, our 4-3-3 looks like a flat 4-5-1 because we suck and can't hold possession, not because of tactics. Additionally, Feilhaber is the only player on this team capable of playing CM in a 4-3-3. Shalrie, Phelan, and McCarthy don't have the skill, speed, or defensive abilities to do so.
     
  9. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All I know is that the few times they did play a 4-4-2, they looked much better, looked like they were all on the same page and actually generated offense. Phelan and McCarthy are giveaway machines going forward
     
  10. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Yes.

    I think he's a decent sub - the kind of player who looks pretty good until you play him too much. I don't think he was ever intended to be a starter for long, but $h!+ happens, like having to use Barnes as an outside back for much of the first half of the season.
    I think so too. I don't think the 4-3-3 has ever really worked well and Nicol's been pretty pig-headed in sticking with it (and going back to it). I understand him thinking that he doesn't really have great wings to choose from, but the combined midfield 3 in this 4-3-3 is way too slow to threaten teams.
     
  11. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with you. Revs don't have the personnel to play a 4-3-3. But they also don't have the personnel to play a standard 4-4-2 (with 2 interchangeable strikers). I'd rather them play a 4-4-1-1 (or 4-2-3-1) with Feilhaber at withdrawn forward or CAM and McCarthy and Joseph as CDM.

    The issue is that we don't have any wingers. I think Kinne would do decently on the wing, but Nicol refuses to give new guys a shot despite the regulars looking like a U14 team.
     
  12. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    August 17, 2011 3:13 pm. rkupp and I agreed on two things
     
  13. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our wingers suck but I don't think Kinne is the answer. Season for the most part is over and I'd like to see what he has but at this point if Nicol doesn't see enough in him to start him over Boggs, Nyassi and Guy I can't see any point
     
  14. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Referee: Michael KENNEDY
    MLS Career Stats: 137 games, 3.8 Y/g, 24 R
    Including Playoffs: 147 games, 3.9 Y/g, 26 R
    MLS 2011: 5 games, 3.8 Y/g, 1 R
    Assistant Referees: Kermit QUISENBERRY and Bill DITTMAR
    Fourth Official: Jose Carlos RIVERO

    All-time New England matches with Kennedy as referee:
    Code:
    5/13/1998
    D.C. United 3 - 2 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: NONE
    RED: NONE
    
    8/8/1998
    Columbus Crew 6 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: J-M. Moore, M. Clark, D. Nakhid
    RED: NONE
    
    9/2/1998
    MetroStars 0 - 2 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: E. Gorter, M. Motajo, J. Rooney, I. McKinley, A. Lalas
    RED: NONE
    
    9/23/1998
    Chicago Fire 3 - 2 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: C.J. Brown
    RED: NONE
    
    4/3/1999
    Kansas City Wizards 0 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: NONE
    RED: NONE
    
    6/16/1999
    Columbus Crew 1 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: B. Dunseth, I. McKinley
    RED: NONE
    
    4/21/2001
    D.C. United 2 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: J. Harkes, J. Torres, R. Pierce
    RED: NONE
    
    3/23/2002
    MetroStars 3 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: A. Williams, S. Forko, J. Heaps, S. Ralston, S. Jolley
    RED: NONE
    
    6/1/2002
    New England Revolution 0 - 2 San Jose Earthquakes
    YELLOW: J. Conrad, T. Dayak, J. Rooney, J. Heaps, E. Robinson
    RED: NONE
    
    9/21/2002
    New England Revolution 3 - 0 MetroStars
    YELLOW: M. Petke, J. Franchino
    RED: NONE
    
    7/4/2003
    Los Angeles Galaxy 2 - 2 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: J. Franchino, S. Joseph, M. Cienfuegos, S. Victorine, S. Elliott, J. Heaps, R. Pierce, T. Marshall, C. Llamosa
    RED: NONE
    
    7/16/2003
    New England Revolution 1 - 2 Dallas Burn
    YELLOW: J. Franchino, D. Kante, O. Pereja, D.J. Countess, E. Hendrickson, C. Llamosa, S. Morrow, S. Thomas
    RED: S. Thomas (2CT)
    
    8/23/2003
    Los Angeles Galaxy 2 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: C. Jones, J. Franchino, C. Llamosa, C. Albright, R. Pierce, C. Ruiz
    RED: NONE
    
    5/15/2004
    Columbus Crew 1 - 0 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: N. Akwari, C. Dempsey, S. Herdsman
    RED: NONE
    
    6/19/2004
    New England Revolution 1 - 3 Kansas City Wizards
    YELLOW: M. Leonard, A. Zotinca, D. Gutierrez
    RED: NONE
    
    8/11/2004
    Dallas Burn 0 - 3 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: C. Goodson
    RED: NONE
    
    9/4/2004
    New England Revolution 0 - 1 San Jose Earthquakes
    YELLOW: T. Dayak, M. Leonard
    RED: NONE
    
    10/23/2004
    New England Revolution 1 - 0 Columbus Crew
    YELLOW: J. Heaps, S. Joseph, E. Buddle, R. Fraser, A. John
    RED: NONE
    
    5/14/2005
    New England Revolution 1 - 0 D.C. United
    YELLOW: M. Petke, A. Dorman
    RED: NONE
    
    7/4/2005
    Los Angeles Galaxy 1 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: E. da Conceicao, S. Joseph, P. Nagamura
    RED: NONE
    
    8/27/2005
    New England Revolution 2 - 1 D.C. United
    YELLOW: B. Olsen, F. Erpen, D. Hernandez, A. Dorman, P. Noonan, J. Heaps
    RED: D. Kovalenko (SFP)
    
    10/8/2005
    Kansas City Wizards 2 - 2 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: A. Dorman, C. Edozien
    RED: NONE
    
    7/22/2006
    Houston Dynamo 1 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: B. Ching, A. Dorman, M. Parkhurst, W. Barrett, B. Davis, J. Heaps, R. Clark
    RED: W. Barrett (2CT)
    
    9/23/2006
    New England Revolution 1 - 1 Kansas City Wizards
    YELLOW: J. Franchino, N. Garcia
    RED: NONE
    
    10/14/2006
    New England Revolution 1 - 0 Columbus Crew
    YELLOW: R. Pierce, A. John, C. Dempsey, J. Ngwenya, J. Larentowicz
    RED: NONE
    
    4/29/2007
    FC Dallas 0 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: A. John, C. Ruiz, J. Riley, S. Ralston
    RED: NONE
    
    6/30/2007
    CD Chivas USA 2 - 0 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: P. Nagamura, L. Vaughn, W. Thompson, O. Perez, A. Zotinca
    RED: C. Suarez (VC)
    
    7/28/2007
    Real Salt Lake 1 - 2 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: E. Pope, A. Dorman
    RED: A. Williams (SFP)
    
    10/13/2007
    New England Revolution 2 - 3 Columbus Crew
    YELLOW: G. Barros Schelotto, W. Thompson, J. Riley, A. Moreno
    RED: NONE
    
    3/29/2008
    New England Revolution 3 - 0 Houston Dynamo
    YELLOW: R. Mulrooney
    RED: NONE
    
    6/6/2008
    New England Revolution 2 - 1 FC Dallas
    YELLOW: A. Rocha, J. Heaps, D. Moor, B. Rhine, K. Dube, D. Davino
    RED: NONE
    
    8/23/2008
    Toronto FC 1 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: NONE
    RED: NONE
    
    9/20/2008
    Colorado Rapids 1 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: C. Clark, C. Gibbs, M. Ballouchy
    RED: NONE
    
    5/23/2009
    Toronto FC 3 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: W. Thompson, S. Ralston, A. Guevara
    RED: NONE
    
    7/25/2009
    Houston Dynamo 0 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: J. Larentowicz, R. Clark, J. James
    RED: NONE
    
    5/22/2010
    Toronto FC 1 - 0 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: M. Saric, S. Joseph, C. Barrett, D. Gargan, M. Perovic
    RED: NONE
    
    8/18/2010
    Chicago Fire 2 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: P. Phelan, C. Gibbs, N. Castillo, W. Conde, M. Perovic, E. Osei, D. Barnes
    RED: NONE
    
    10/21/2010
    Red Bull New York 2 - 0 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: S. Joseph, J. Griffiths, K. Mansally, J. Hall, R. Marquez
    RED: NONE
    
    7/20/2011
    D.C. United 0 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: K. Mansally
    RED: NONE
    
    
    OVERALL RECORD: 14-17-8
    1.282 PPG
    All-time Houston matches with Kennedy as referee:
    Code:
    7/22/2006
    Houston Dynamo 1 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: B. Ching, A. Dorman, M. Parkhurst, W. Barrett, B. Davis, J. Heaps, R. Clark
    RED: W. Barrett (2CT)
    
    10/29/2006
    Houston Dynamo 2 - 0 CD Chivas USA
    YELLOW: A. Serioux, J. Pablo Garcia, T. Regan, J. Francisco Palencia, L. Vaughn, R. Clark
    RED: J. Francisco Palencia (VC)
    
    6/3/2007
    Houston Dynamo 2 - 1 FC Dallas
    YELLOW: D. Wagenfuhr, P. Ricchetti, B. Rhine
    RED: P. Onstad (DGF)
    
    3/29/2008
    New England Revolution 3 - 0 Houston Dynamo
    YELLOW: R. Mulrooney
    RED: NONE
    
    6/28/2009
    Los Angeles Galaxy 1 - 0 Houston Dynamo
    YELLOW: M. Chabala, E. Buddle, M. Magee, B. Boswell, G. Cameron
    RED: NONE
    
    7/25/2009
    Houston Dynamo 0 - 1 New England Revolution
    YELLOW: J. James, J. Larentowicz, R. Clark
    RED: NONE
    
    7/10/2010
    Houston Dynamo 0 - 0 Columbus Crew
    YELLOW: A. Hainault, G. Padula
    RED: NONE
    
    8/8/2010
    Seattle Sounders FC 2 - 0 Houston Dynamo
    YELLOW: S. Nyassi, J. Riley, B. Nkufo, B. Mullan, M. Chabala, N. Sturgis
    RED: NONE
    
    10/16/2010
    San Jose Earthquakes 0 - 1 Houston Dynamo
    YELLOW: S. Cronin, J. Busch
    RED: NONE
    
    
    OVERALL RECORD: 3-4-2
    1.222 PPG
     
  15. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    And I criticized Nicol ... ;)
     
  16. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not friggin Kennedy :(
     
  17. NE till i die

    NE till i die Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    Stoughton, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You must be this tall to ref this game.
     
  18. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow.

    1-0 Good guys.

    Cochrane from Caraglio.
     
  19. ponte_la_naranja

    Jun 12, 2009
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    what did i tell you guys? Who looks like a genius now?
     
  20. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wow, not chatter here? Half time thoughts:
    They keep giving Houston the ball like this, they will score and score often in the next half. Boggs need to go, sorry but he sucks. Bring in Schiller, at least he can trap the ball, has more speed and will pester the houston players. The forwards need to hold the ball more so Shalrie and Benny can get involved. So for the few times those two have had the ball on Houstons side a few good things happened.
     
  21. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fear the beard!
     
  22. ngower

    ngower foolish grin

    May 24, 2006
    Nashua, NH
    Revs have to play the simple passing game they had in the first fifteen minutes or so. Their reversion to long ball dump-and-run has put far too much pressure on the shaky defense and forced a few great saves from Reis. Boggs has also been very poor.
     
  23. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Barnes is not good
     
  24. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    alston sucks,,,,,,,thank god Houston can't finish
     
  25. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the Revs win, its 99% Reis
     

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