Racist Comments in US Supporters Sections

I'd say Mexicans on BigSoccer are pretty racist themselves, but from a different standpoint[/QUOTE]

i think every one has a bit of a "i am more superior than you" complex. but we all know the only superior race is texans!

 

If Hitler was gassing Texans, the world would have made him Emperor.

 

I have to say this is just disgusting. Very few things anger me as much as this kind of indescribable savagery.

 

I take it you have sworn off attending Mexico NT matches then...

 

This is nonsense... unacceptable behavior by one set of fans by no means justifies unacceptable behavior by another. It would be one thing if US supporters started up with the xenophobic/racist chants and the Mexican supporters responded with the piss bags and beer bottles, but that's not the case... at least not all the time. I know of circumstances where innocent fans (families at that) have had to bear the brunt of ignorant behavior by Mexican (and Salvadorean) fans. By no means I'm I saying that only the latino fans are at fault... just saying it's inaccurate to say "this is why" they do what they do.

This is rich... then people bitch about not enough American fans showing up in the stadium to counter the Mexicans. Clearly openly racist chants (some directed at US players by their own supporters apparently) are okay with you... what next, bananas... tacos?

 

Most reasonable persons would agree that racist or xenophobic language qualifies as "hate speech" or language reasonably likely to incite violence. The contradiction in your stance speaks volumes.

 

Well only if you include the Midwest as part of the north, kind of hard to believe that we in the midwest have the lowest rate.

"States and Regions: Intermarriage in the United States tilts West. About one-in-five (22%) of all newlyweds in Western states married someone of a different race or ethnicity in 2008, compared with 13% in the South and Northeast and 11% in the Midwest. All nine states with out-marriage rates of 20% or more in 2008 are situated west of the Mississippi River: Hawaii (48%); Nevada (28%); Oregon (24%); Oklahoma (23%); California (22%); New Mexico (22%); Colorado (21%); Arizona (21%); and Washington (20%). (See Appendix III for a fifty state table)."

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1616/american-marriage-interracial-interethnic

Hey mr Warmth, is Oklahoma "west"?

 

Just as so everyone knows here, Mexico is not a race it is a nationality that is derived from a country of mixed races called Los Estados Unidos de Mexico. On to the next point, somethings being described as racist here are vocabularily wrong. Technically the only thing that is racist is the sp*k word. Everything is a ethnic issue which has to be taken upon by other US supporters as being acceptable or not. I scream things like should of stuck to mariachi and that is a cultural context of love in Mexico. There is no need to catagorize it as a race chant as it is directed at mariachi something that is uniquely Mexico and Meixcan culture.

If you are going to tell me that everything is race based issue here then in that sense we are all better off not even talking about it as we don't know what a race based issue is in the first place.

In that case I ask AO that in games against Mexico to not even chant anything that is to make fun or poke fun at Mexico and instead focus everything to be directed at positively supporting the US.

 

I won't even waste my time posting links to the many instances of racism being alive and well today in the South... all you've succeeded in showing here is your continued ignorance.

 

It's becoming more & more Mexican, as thousands now live here. Hundreds congregate in local muster zones daily, seeking day labor. You can either ask them directly to mow your lawn, or hire the landscaper who asks them directly. Pay rate is $10 per hour, cash. I doubt any get upset by the request. If any of them had a green card, they could get a regular job.

I could do it 50 times a day. You could probably do the same, at your local 7-11 parking lot.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ODFn2SRVIc"]Muster Zone.wmv - YouTube[/ame]
Of course, some people don't like this fact known:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfUWKuMEgg0"]Redondo Beach DLS 10-07-06 - YouTube[/ame]

 

What? I haven't even seen a high school history book in 20 years. I have tons of other books because I read a lot about history. And your assertion that the south was richer than the north was just flat wrong. No serious historian disputes this. None.

 

So I take it that we agree & disagree on what's considered racist. The main argument was shouting "Mow my Lawn, etc.", & by my one comment, this has turned into a Civil War history lesson. Could we TRY to get back onto the topic. There was one fan that brought the Confederate Flag to Azteca. Since then, there haven't been any reported incidents where someone brought the Confederate flag to a game. So should we drop the subject? This loser thinks so.

 

You really think you are going to ask random people their residency status and receive an honest reply?

What is the point of your videos?

 

Every time a US fans shouts something racist towards Latinos just remember you're taking a huge s**t all over all the Latino fans of the USMNT who generally take the brunt of anything the Mexican fans say and do at games.

Seriously, you think it's hard being a white US supporter at a US-Mexico game? Trying being a Mexican-American US supporter at a US-Mexico game. Most of the Mexican fans are pretty cool people but the ones who aren't are especially worse to the US fans they view as traitors.

All the people on here condoning racism because "the Mexicans threw a battery and yelled at me once" are disgusting. Not all Mexican fans are like the battery-throwing douchenozzles. Most of them are pretty cool and laid back and resorting to racism doesn't make you any better or tougher.

 

What is a regular job to you exactly? I know a bunch of people that do have green cards and DON"T get a regular job...... one of them is white. He's been filing for unemployment for over a year now.

 

I live in the south and I call bullshit. That's just a "rationalization." The usages of the Confederate Flag I'm used to seeing are subtle intimidation (you're not welcome here) and a naked, arrogant ******** You to "polite society."

 

I am a African-American born and raised in Georgia and Alabama. The sad truth (and i hate to admit it) but the confederate flag didn't start out as racist symbol and is a source of pride and not racist to many. point black period. Yea it rembresents a time of racism and ignorance. Now i hate hearing the things that Mexican fans say but as long its not a violent act or showing a sign of real hate then its just fans talking crap which we all do. I love it when i see Mexican-American fans going for the US. And i see my friends get a lot of hate for it. But i think from the Mexican side of it, its a way to vent its anger at this country, which the whole immigration issues so i try and not make a big teal of it.

 

A regular job is a tax paying job. Your white friend is collecting unemployment after he was laid off his previous tax paying job and because he is here legally. But then you didn't need me to tell you that...

 

Between 1810 to 1860 the slave population in the south went from 1.1 million to 3.9 million. At that rate of growth (about 2.5% a year) there would have been over 8 million slaves by 1890.

Nothing besides violence or political reform could have made that number go close to zero. There wasn't much chance of abolitionism taking hold in the South within twentyfive years of a successful bloody rebellion to preserve slavery.

What's relative history? What do they teach in it?

 

Hmmmm..... I know many of immigrants that are not here legally that pay taxes. So if these guys at the home depots pay their taxes they have a real job.

Now go ahead and tell you're sure they don't pay taxes.

 

People thought this at the end of the 18th century, but it turns out that they were wrong. Instead of the number of slaves trailing off, it grew and grew.

Maybe slavery would have ended eventually through a slave revolt or an external invasion, but if you think that internal political changes would have led to abolition, then you underestimate the commitment of the southern governments to slavery: they were willing to kill and die for it. Southern whites were much more committed to slavery in 1860 than they were in 1800. They really thought that abolitionism was evil.

Of course they would have been worse off! No one doubts that the slave labor system is worse. Especially for the slaves.

 

Let me clarify, by tax paying job, I meant income tax paying job. You can ask all of your day laborer illegal immigrant friends how many of them pay income tax. I bet the answer will be zero.

 

I don't think anyone is implying that there is NO racism in the south. It has, however, dwindled to the point that it is likely that racists are no greater per capita in the south than in the north. I know LOTS of guys that have rebel flags on their trucks while listening to hip hop. The flag is more about regional identity to these guys than anything else. You can disagree with me all you want, but these days, the racism of the flag is inferred moreso than implied.

On the original topic, racist comments or chants are a huge slap in the face to our hispanic and african american players. Even if it wasn't scummy on it's own, these actions attack the team these folks are supposed to be there to support. Scummy.

 

They pay for other state / federal taxes such as SS, property, store sales, and personal debt taxes, something that would be in an even more dire state if they didn't. Look at what's happening in Europe, with the low birth rate, immigrants help us upkeep our lifestyle (especially for elder Americans).

"Officially, the Social Security Administration estimates that about seventy five percent (75%) of illegal workers contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare by paying taxes.

In 2005 the agency estimates that on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, about $9 billion in taxes was paid.
This amount would include illegal immigrants using fake names and Social Security numbers. Although the influence on Social Security is considerable because most of the money received is never claimed by the illegal immigrant who pays into the system. Instead of the money returning to the rightful owner, it is used to cover the deficit in retirement checks payable to legal workers."

http://news.jornal.us/article-4671....ation-Reform-could-be-the-reason---Video.html

See the bigger picture?