Alert: Manchester City v Manchester United - FA Community Shield - 07/08/11 [R]

This.

 

I don't agree with your point I can go on about why, but I wont convince you, nor do I care to. There's been enough said about this. I don't think the lad is pants. As I've said before, I thought he recovered very well considering the gaffe that he committed. Hopefully it was just nerves but given his tendency to concede from distance, especially low shots, it is probably technique. Hopefully our staff can sort him out.

 

Re the 2nd goal -- there are always situation it seems where the GK is left standing there mouth agape while the ball swerves by him and the announcer says, "he should have done better there" (or equivalent).

This was another one of those cases. I can't help but think that people watching on tv just have no idea how hard it is to track a knuckling ball hit straight at you and veering away at the last second.

Other than that, he's going to have to get used to the defensive. And the way we're looking right now, there isn't going to be that settled of a defensive line -- so that isn't going to help either.

I vote that we score 3 goals every game, to make up for the other team's 2.

 

Been over this a few times.

With good reactions and quick footwork you can get down quickly enough to, well, even catch that shot.

He had a clear view of the strike and he chose not to move thinking he'd be able to parry it one-handed to the right. Bad decision. Had he actually moved, he could've got his body behind the ball and made a comfortable save. The dip/kunckle in this case is irrelevant; get yourself in the right position, use both hands and you're bound to make connection with the ball.

WRT the bolded part: don't know about others, but I am speaking from experience. I've dealt with shots like that and as I said the key is good/quick footwork besides reading the situation and making the right decision of course. Yes, you don't have a whole lot of time to think, but as a keeper it's kind of drilled into ya' what do to in certain situations and it becomes kinda instinctive.

Sometimes, you fck up of course. Nothing wrong with that. I haven't seen a lot of De Gea so I'm not at all passing judgement on him. He looks like a confident, young man, I'm sure we'll stick with him. Actually I'm very eager to see his development and learn more about the lad.

Hopefully we can move on from these points now...

 

Just got done re-watching the game and one thing stood out to me that I didn't notice the first time around. After the first goal, Young was shown rallying the troops and getting them pumped up. Something like that is so encouraging to see from a new player. Young recognized that he was one of the senior guys on the pitch (along with Evra) and regardless of being new to the team, he was taking on the role of being a leader. Just something small that I missed the first time watching.

 

Does someone have a gif from behind the shot? Because I just don't think this is true -- two things:

1. What decision do you make on a ball that's moving randomly?
2. The point is that the ball comes straight at you, so the gk thinks he's in the primo right spot, and then the ball swerves. Leaving the gk looking like a dunce. From behind the shot, you can see that the ball is moving. You can't see the speed of the ball from that angle tho', which is why I say it's hard to appreciate the difficulty of adapting.

Anyway....Now we can move on.

 

I dont think this game could have gone better for Fergie. Even though we conceded 2 soft goals in the first half the plus points are enormous. If we beat them 4-0 the team would have learnt nothing, we were better than them last season and will continue to be better than them this season. But here are the plus points for the team as a whole..

1) It showed all the new recruits that Man Utd always fight till the end. The never die spirit is difficult to foster in a team and there was a prime example against a very good Man City side.

2) The defensive errors by Rio and Vidic especially for Lescotts goal, meant SAF could swap them out for Jones and Evans who kept a second half clean sheet. Should make the fight for places at the back very interesting next year as Rio and Vidic could have been a bit complacent...

3) Young, De Gea, Jones and Cleverley all picked up some silverware and they have not even had their name etched onto their locker room doors. They have all got the taste for silver now.

4) The team that smashed Inter Milan pre season got taught a football lesson. I'm sure Wesley was watching and knows where he wants to be playing his football next season. Also he is in England for the friendly game with Holland...

5) Nice to see Smalling utilised as right back, did sterling job with genuine pace makes him a great utility player for next season, massive improvement on Sheasy...

All that said we will probably draw with West Brom now...

 

Meh...

I have rewatched the shot numerous times. You make it sound like there's some vicious swerve or dip on the ball that makes it unsaveable. False. You need to watch it again. The ball is not at all moving randomly, it is slightly swerwing to the right and is about to bounce. He had a clear view of it throughout; he's seen shit like that, he's dealt with them, it's not that hard to predict if you are actually a goalkeeper.

As I said, it's not like the ball makes all kinds of movements making it completely unpredictable. Watch it again if you need to.
Also, even if the ball was moving completely straight, he shouldn't have reamined rooted to the spot. He was lessening his chanches by staying flat-footed. I'll say this once again: the slight dip/swerve would've been completely irrelevant in this case, had he been moving towards the ball. That's the decision you have to make.

'Being on the move' even just between the posts is crucial for a GK. You are working the angles, trying to get a clear view, proceeding to put your body behind the ball, covering as much of the goal as possible.

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+1

 

This is where people disagree. I didnt see what you saw. I saw the ball start, then move towards the keepers left slightly before moving back towards its right, then the dip. To me it almost look like DDG was ready to move, but saw the 2nd bit of moveemnt [tjhat some of us thought we saw] and got flat footed.

 

Just a tip... change of direction when seen on a telephoto lens is exaggerated.