Yet even today we can find on this board people that are happy with JK but are all set to give it over to Hiddick for 2015-2018. Hiddick will be 69 in 2015.
Metrostar fans shut up for the last few weeks of the season after Bob was let go and Mike scored the goal that put them in the playoffs. After that, Mike was a cool guy by all Metro fans.
No worries, your first comments on Klinsy with the NT were pretty spot on. Klinsmann was also getting crap from the German press as well as the DFB because he refused to move to Germany while he was the NT manager. Instead, he stayed in the US and chose to fly back and forth.
What is with this party-line that Klinsmann was a failure at Bayern? Just because he didn't win the league? This couldn't be further from the truth. They finished two points behind Wolfsburg for the title. It was his falling out with the board of directors (partially because of Donovan) that ended his tenure. But he moved Schweinsteiger from a winger to a holding mid, where they essentially used the same formation the next year when they won the league. And even if you think he was downright terrible with Bayern (which is misguided), just because one isn't a fit for that role doesn't mean he can't be a great fit with the USMNT. Laughable to see peoples' verdict without even seeing who his support staff is nor his plan for the youth teams.
This ^ First though, I am more less in agreement with Superdave. I had read enough speculation following 2006 that Joachim Lowe was actually the brains behind Germany's performances and 2010 certainly did nothing to dissuade from that argument. Then you have Jurgen's experience with Bayern, a case of a visionary clashing with a very immediate results oriented organization. Jurgen may end up being a dreamweaver but he could also be a mediocre snake oil salesman that just got really lucky in 06. Can we afford how long it might take to figure that out? So that's the very possible risk here; that we hired a wonderful PR, visionary type coach who is not all that good at execution. On the other hand if Jurgen is actually really good at building the right coaching team perhaps it will all pan out. Either way the die is cast..
that sounded wrong .. and i checked in the kicker database .. it is just wrong .. schweinsteiger played every game under klinsmann as a winger .. he played 3 games that season as a cm but all three of them were after klinsmann was fired and heynckes toke over and klinsmann used like 10 different formations that seasons...
Wrong again. It was Louis Van Gaal who moved him permanently into central midfield. In that German article below, Schweinsteiger hints at how much he prefered Van Gaal to Klinsmann and that he was very happy that Van Gaal realized where his best position is... Klinsmann didn't have anything to do with the success the season after. Van Gaal had a clear tactical vision, he saw the talent that Klinsmann ignored (Müller), he moved Schweinsteiger to a position where he played excellent that season and in the world cup (again something that Klinsmann didn't realize despite Schweinsteiger even demanding it in public). Sorry, but Bayern's success had Van Gaal written all over it. Again, I believe Klinsmann is the right choice for the USA but some of you guys are hyping him too much at the moment and giving him credit for decisions other people made and for successes that other people were responsible for.
LVG was responsible for this as well. EDIT: I see I am too late to this party. That being said...Germany is now where it is at because of what Klinsmann did for Germany. Loew certainly isn't riding on Klinsmann's coat-tails, but he has had the ground work laid down thanks to the approach taken by Klinsmann - despite several grunts by the DFB. Loew deserves a lot of credit but none should be taken from Klinsmann either. It was simply a great team; both of them, and both deserve full credit. Managing a club day-to-day and a NT a very, very different - not only for managers but for players as well. See Klose for Bayern and Klose for the NT. Or the anti Klose in Messi... With a good staff and a solid understanding of development, he may do very well over the next two years...just do not expect him to do it all overnight.
Yes, 2009-10 under LVG was definitely when Schweinsteiger became a permanent fixture in Bayern's center. Although I could've sworn he played in more of a center distribution role with Klinsmann too. Could be wrong, I'd appreciate a Bayern fan to weigh in, as their memory is probably better than mine. In any case, my point about him being a "failure" still stands. People are way too harsh on his tenure at Bayern. What's good for one may not be good for the other. This could be a role that definitely suits him.
What many of the 'Bob for lifers' and the 'Bob for as long as his contract run' folks never got was...sometime you need a little agitation to force the hands of guys like Sunil who couldn't have been bothered and just re-upped Bob who was already obviously past his expiration date. What finally tipped the scales, imho, was when the agitation got to a point it was directed at the upper reaches of EVERYONE in and around Soccer House...those folks aren't used to more than a handfull of (usually loyal) fans paying attention, never mind their discomfort at loads of folks gunning for their cushy perks. Anyway, Superdave, as Mao once said, and I quote: 'a revolution is not a dinner party.' So defending Bob against over the top insults just means you were on the wrong side of history; the over the top venom helped take out the old regime with 3 years to go on a recently signed contract. You can thank us rabble rousers now, or later. And, laying into Klinsi on his first day on the job is pretty lame even by rabble-rousing standards, it's just old school sour grapes from the losers to the tide of history in my opinion; this is one Cultural Revolution I am definitely looking forward to. Klinsmann took years of abuse from German fans who all flipped for him and wanted him to be a bob for life type and re-up after 2006; he sensibly said no thanks to that. Bob should have shown same wisdom and walked away with his head up after last world cup instead of forcing folks to agitate to finally knock him out. Klinsi is definitely the right guy, and yes I will say I told ya so...in German or Portuguese, when we're - shockingly - a decent squad again, instead of an aging, flailing mess, in Brazil. Luck of the FIFA-fixed draw will have a lot to do with it, and random possibly corrupt refs; but yes US should show signs of new life by 2014. And then - of course - can Klinsi too, to keep things fresh.
Dude. Mao was responsible for the deaths of millions of people and the economic system he promoted had to be abandoned before China could move ahead. He may have won his battle, but he was on the wrong side of history. Hmmm. Perhaps, unintentionally, you've made the appropriate analogy.
That was kind of my point. There is some talent here on defense already, even if it is a bit long in the tooth. Chandler and Lichaj make me feel good. There are number of young guys in MLS (Ream, Gonzo, John) and some even younger ones other places (Anibaba, Kitchen, Valentin, Opara, Boss, Sarkodie, etc) that if our mid/20's types and greybeards can hold the fort for a couple years (Goodson, Marshall, Parkhurst, Cameron, Pearce, Convey, Spector) then we may be in pretty good shape back there. And since the defense may be OK, JK's offensive know-how will be a plus, and the defensive deficiencies not so much. Last thought, in some ways, strikers DO know quite a bit about how to defend, or specifically, mistakes defenders make and how to exploit them. If communicated to the defender, it can help him improve a lot.
I am going to spend every waking hour criticizing every move JK makes. It is going to be especially sweet after reading all those post by individuals taking pot shots at Bradley. If he fails, I intend to call out all those posters who went after Bob with malice. You guys know who you are and now you have been warned. JK is going to be an epic fail. We will not qualify.
While I think many are correct to praise LVG for the Bayern win that next year, remember, he didn't last two years, and is now unemployed (though likely not for long). Still, he DID get fired. BM didn't win the league, and finished, what, 3rd? And a much more distant one than when JK was in charge. As for qualification, I'm always amazed how most here think qualifying will be easy, or was in the past. Last time, we were behind in 7/10 of the Hex games at some point. That is pretty harrowing. The only ones we weren't were both T&T games and the home Mexico match. I think WCQ will be a lot harder this time, regardless of who the coach is. Mexico is better than we are (subtract 3 points from our total), and I think some of the teams outside the top 4 (Mex/USA/CR/Hon) are significantly better, especially Panama and Jamaica. Throw in the Salvies, T&T, Canada, and the flopping Guats, and there are ten fairly troublesome teams in the region.
Where is Klinsmann going to find these savior defenders, exactly? If you expect a national team manager to magically make players better, you're fooling yourself. Yes, the national team manager does have a lot to do with on-the-field performance in how they build a team, but in what way do they make a player technically better? Dempsey did not magically become better when Bob Bradley moved him up top in the second half (of many games), but he was put in a better position for his talents to show up. Altidore didn't somehow start sucking because of something Bob Bradley did, I believe it had to do with his lack of action with the clubs he landed with accompanied with the loss of Davies, who proved to be a great strike partner with him. I believe Klinsmann will be an upgrade for our program for two reasons: The first, he knows how to win on the international level and understands how to professionally manage a national team. The second is that we have now landed a "big name" to manage our national team, which can help us become a perceived "contender" on the international level.
Agree totally. We'll just have to wait and see who the assistants are. Bielsa would have been a more appropriate hire imo.
Actually, I'm quite certain people somehow believe this is going to happen. And who is "you people?" Anyways, my point was this: Klinsmann isn't going to wave his magic wand and suddenly we're going to have better players. What he can do is find different players, identify new guys with his fresh eyes and then find a new winning combination of talent and mesh the players together well on the field.
That's a fair point, and I would agree that some, especially the more casual fan, is going to look at these upcoming friendlies for indications of the difference a new coach can make. Whatever the result, that's not a fair expectation as the goal isn't to win a few friendlies, it's to compete, truly compete, in Brazil. Our player pool is what it is. We're at an odd point in some generational transition, and the next wave is rather hard to determine. Mexico is an interesting example right now as they've embraced that change and their next group is clearly ready. We're not there and new leadership might be able to encourage that line of thinking. In my view, what Klinsmann can potentially achieve for the USMNT is eliminating the issues of coaching (tactics, selections, preparations, hitting the pitch ready, etc.) so that we're, at the very least, getting from our players results equal to their talent. We've had a lot of learning on the job with our coaching staff over the past decade. The expectation from our coaching staff should be different now. That brings pressure on the staff and the players. I don't think that's a bad thing........