Bradley fired by USSF. Should he come back to the Fire?

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  1. Es Brennt

    Es Brennt Member+

    Feb 25, 2003
    Shermer, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
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    Sign him up, multi year, let's do this!
     
  2. loonixxx

    loonixxx Member+

    Chicago Red Stars
    Aug 28, 2004
    Soccer Limbo
    Club:
    Jagiellonia Bialystok SSA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Yes please.
     
  3. alf

    alf Member+

    Jun 29, 1999
    Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    I think the biggest obstacle will be salary. Hauptman doesn't like to open up his wallet for coaches, but maybe he has learned from that lesson and may be willing to spend money on a good coach than risk it on a designated player. I can also see Bradley wanting to bring some of his staff with him (perhaps Jesse), and again, those guys certainly were making more at US than they would as assistants in MLS.

    Of course, Montreal has yet to hire a coach. And Bradley may be tempted by setting up an expansion team again and they can offer him the GM/technical director positions as well. I don't see Hauptman getting rid of Klopas. And it would be odd for Klopas to be in a position higher than Bradley.

    I'm sure Bradley will wait until the MLS offseason to make a decision. And who knows how many other jobs will open up by then.
     
  4. shooter6065

    shooter6065 Member

    Nov 16, 2000
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I think Bradley did a great job with the Fire. I also think he did a great job with the national team but it was time for a change.

    But can you imagine him bailing out twice? I would hope he would not quit for another MLS job but what happens when the energy drink company starts whispering big money in his ears? Not hard to see how this would play out.

    He would do a great job here, if he stuck around. That's the part I question.
     
  5. Boul'Mich

    Boul'Mich Member

    Jul 16, 2006
    Chicago
    Didn't Javier Leon hire Bob Bradley at Chivas?
     
  6. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Don't spoil the fantasy world!
     
  7. CHthirteen

    CHthirteen Member

    Jul 13, 2008
    Chicago
    I am against this. I think he could get us to the playoffs, but I am against it... After years of quiet frustration, I was finally rid of his promising, yet ultimately unfulfilling style, and to have it come back that quickly... no.... I want to see someone else first.

    Arena went to NY and did nothing after he was USMNT coach. Bradley's been riding a wave. He needs to be humbled. And not just National Team humbled like against Spain... MLS humbled. He probably thinks he remembers how hard it is in this league. No I'm against this.
     
  8. murtaugh

    murtaugh Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
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    Thus sayeth THE LORD

    Robert, son of Gerald! I, the LORD GOD, chastise you!

    Into the wilderness, cast out in retribution! Sins managerial, numbering greater than the descendants of Abraham. Each victory become false, every triumph now made null!

    All my people, displeased by your very manner!

    Humble yourself before THE LORD!

    Until thy repentance, you shall know no kindness from
    <overdub>CHthirteen</overdub> and His disciples!

    Now banished to the darkest realm, where Man cannot thrive, for want of sanity –

    Have pity, for THE LORD has spoken!


    <door chime>

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    Oh, hey Bob. Funny time for you to drop in. Say, uh, no reason I'm asking or anything...

    Have you got any plans for the next thousand years?
     
  9. MikeR

    MikeR Member

    Jul 25, 2005
    Indiana
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd be amazed if Bradley picked up a job in Europe. Not saying he's not good enough (or that he is) but I just can't see it happening in England, for example, unless it's a club way down the food chain. Like League 1 or 2.
     
  10. Mattinho

    Mattinho Member

    Jan 27, 2000
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh great. Here comes the "Bob Bradley is God" bandwagon. I was hoping we would have been rid of this man for good. I think all of you overrate him and it's sad to see you all demanding his return. Let's let him wallow in his on mediocrity for a while. Luckily, I don't think his return is imminent.
     
  11. Padre Joe

    Padre Joe New Member

    Nov 26, 2009
    Cortland, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK - I realize that this is a "Hire Bob" thread but.....with Bob getting sacked, I would guess that Klinsmann will want to bring in his own people meaning that Jesse Marsch will probably be looking for work. Rumor had it that he was a top candidate for the Fire job. For as much as I would love to see Bob come back I wonder if he would really want to come back to the MLS or if the Fire are willing to pay him what he thinks he's worth. Perhaps this will simply mean that Marsch get the job sooner.
     
  12. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    exactly, to many people have rose colored glasses from some of the early success.which truthfully was much more due to Nowak then Bob.One only has to look at the record of games without Nowak in the lineup to see the startling truth.I really wish some of the pre BS Crash posts were still available, so we can rehash some of the rants that quite a few current members had against Bob and his game management skills.The only coaching I hope he does in the Chicago area is in DeKalb at NIU.Maybe then the Huskies could finally challenge the beast in Akron -any college program that really wants to be taken serious should throw the $$ at Bob, as he would become a recruiting dream and said program would likely become a powerhouse very quickly.
     
  13. Andy Zilis

    Andy Zilis Member+

    Mar 9, 2005
    Rochelle, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He wasn't the perfect coach, but he was very good. With the Fire, he constantly had to deal with missing important players due to national team call-ups and I think a higher-than-average number of injuries (Nowak tended to get injured a lot).

    And he has a proven track record of turning around struggling teams. I know his tenure in NY didn't end well in '05, but that season wasn't that bad . . . something along the lines of his 2002 season with the Fire. Those were his 2 all-time worst MLS seasons.
     
  14. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, how did the Fire front office get Loco's BS password? :eek:

    But seriously, Andrew needs to MAKE THIS HAPPEN NOW! The timing really could not be better.
     
  15. You don't have to be a blind Bradley apologist to see that

    A) He is the best coach in Fire history, and

    B) He is probably the most qualified and available hire out there.

    Does it mean he's the right guy right now? Not necessarily. But it does mean that for all you who think it's a ridiculous idea to consider him better start naming names that you think would be better. I like the Marsch idea, but it's as easy to poke holes there as it is to pretend Bob had nothing to do with our first 8-10 years of organizational success. Of course it wasn't all Bob. Of course, it had a lot to do with Nowak. W must get some credit too.

    Just because Fire fans moaned about Bradley's selections and strategies on BS after games does not change the results and legacy Bradley left behind. You'd be hard pressed to find any coach anywhere who gets 100% love from message board know-it-alls.

    The fact is, we've hand no more success than we did under Bradley (or in his shadow), and there is no one else out there that I can see as qualified.

    But even after saying all of that, there is no guarantee he IS the right fit, has the desire, and even will work for an MLS salary.
     
  16. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    This is why I don't think it will happen. I have a gut feeling that Andrew has no desire to pay two coaches at once. Until Carlos is off the books (is that December?) I don't think we will see a new hire. By that time, I assume Bob will be gone.
     
  17. LocoGueroFutobolista

    Apr 18, 2004
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    That's why I think that even if they are entertaining the idea, they need to move now. Yes, they can wait to see who quits, gets fired, resigns, or whose contract expires and is declined renewal, but by that time, I think he's gone.
     
  18. Boul'Mich

    Boul'Mich Member

    Jul 16, 2006
    Chicago
    This "Andrew Hauptman is cheap" thing, is it based in any sort of real-world facts or was it just repeated enough here that it became true?

    I don't know, which is why I'm asking.
     
  19. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    I'll admit that from my end, it is nothing more than whispers I've heard from people I generally trust with info. Certain front office people and a coach or two were carried more because of their contract length than any expectation of success. In addition, doesn't it seem odd that Frank has publicly said that he wants to go back upstairs, he is an interim coach and yet there hasn't even been mention of a list of candidates coming together?

    It does seem that Andrew is content to simply wait out the contract with Frank as the interim coach. Now that there are a couple of viable candidates sitting out there in Bob and Jesse, let's see if Andrew opens talks with them or if we sit tight until November or so.

    I have been quick to recognize that Andrew has opened the wallet a few times on big player contracts, so I'm not claiming that he is cheap to the nth degree. I'm just recognizing that he never seems to be willing to eat one coaches contract while signing another (something that has to be done in sport from time to time.)
     
  20. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Andrew paid Julian and Greeley at the same time.
     
  21. loonixxx

    loonixxx Member+

    Chicago Red Stars
    Aug 28, 2004
    Soccer Limbo
    Club:
    Jagiellonia Bialystok SSA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone refresh my memory please. When did Andrew purchase the team from AEG? I honestly can't recall.

    Coaching-wise I'm still a tiny bitter we low balled Spencer. I believe he would've been better than everyone that has coached the Fire minus Bradley.
     
  22. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Wasn't that still the Guppy era?
     
  23. loonixxx

    loonixxx Member+

    Chicago Red Stars
    Aug 28, 2004
    Soccer Limbo
    Club:
    Jagiellonia Bialystok SSA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably. That's why I'm asking when Andy purchased the team. The brain cells of that era for me are long gone... ;)
     
  24. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hauptman bought the Fire in Sept 2007. Regardless of Guppy, Hauptman was the owner at the time and the Spencer low-balling fiasco took place on his watch.

    http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2008/01/morning-ticke-3.html

    "Houston Dynamo assistant John Spencer tells the Houston Chronicle's Bernardo Fallas that he turned down the Fire coaching job, claiming that he did so because the contract offer was too low. If true, this is thoroughly embarrassing for the Fire..."

    Yeah, it's Ives but it's also true in this case as per below.

    http://qprreport.blogspot.com/2008/01/ex-qprs-coaching-update-john-spencer.html

    "(Tuesday) I got offered the job in Chicago, accepted it and sat down to try and negotiate a contract, but we couldn't come to terms,'' Spencer said. "It wasn't much more money than I (was making) here with the Dynamo, and I felt that to move my family to another state and all the upheaval and such, I just didn't think it was worth it, so I turned it down.''

    That said, since then, it seems like we're willing to spend at least some money. My complaint is that they do not do so wisely. It's one thing to take calculated risks. Those don't always work and that's life. But when we do splash out, it seems like we don't make smart choices.
     
  25. Boul'Mich

    Boul'Mich Member

    Jul 16, 2006
    Chicago
    It does seem like this attitude is overblown a whole lot, and is a holdover from the bungled Spencer thing four years ago which feels more like misjudgment by Guppy than the owner.

    We've only had two coaches hired under this owner. I doubt they underpaid de los Cobos. They've paid for DPs several times (not always well). I am just saying there's not a large enough data set to come to the conclusion our ownership is cheap – especially when what we do know indicates otherwise.

    While I am hardly happy with the state of our management, chalking it up to cheapness seems entirely off-base. Particularly when our previous ownership ran the Fire on half a shoestring from 2003 until the stadium was built, in favor of their other clubs.
     

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