I know what you're thinking. "Of course they shouldn't trade Shalrie Joseph. He's only their best player. If you think they're bad now, wait until you see them without Joseph." ...and that's probably true. But then again, should the time come when the playoffs are realistically out of reach, might it be in the best long-term interests of the club to deal him? I'll explain why... 1. He's in the last year of his contract. 2. If we don't reach a contract extension by the end of the year, by MLS rules, we'd have to give him a pay raise of (...I believe) 10%. He already makes $500,000/year. We'd have to go to $550,000. 3. He's 33 years old, and his best days appear to be clearly behind him. 4. If we can't reach an extension with him, and he plays out his deal, the Revs run the risk of losing him for nothing. 5. Despite the negatives, he's still a very valuable MLS commodity and my gut tells me that certain teams would love to acquire him. Look at what TFC got for DeRosario. I think it's something the Revs have to explore if they come to the conclusion that they can't resign him for a reasonable number and/or they face reality in regards to the current squad and their ability to qualify for the playoffs.
I agree. Move his contract for a couple young pieces. I'd look at teams that need a presence in the midfield. I think the Revs owe it to Shalrie to put him in a good situation and maybe another run at the playoffs, like what the Bruins did with Ray Bourque.
This. Time to start over/blow this team up. Shalrie can't be happy here and would not help in the rebuilding process. He deserves a fresh start.
I hate it, but I have to agree with you. Tell Shalrie all about Ray Bourque before he goes, and tell him that there is a job waiting for him after he retires.
I like the idea and would think Shalrie still has value in exchange for a class midfielder / forward. I know Shalrie is a midfield banger but we need to address the significant shortfall up top. A few ideas: Davy Arnaud in KC. Always does well against us in Foxboro - would enjoy if he continued that trend in a Revs jersey. Chris Wondolowski in SJ: (too young and good, probably a pipedream). Lindpere from NYRB - could see Shalrie wanting to go home to NY. Charlie Davies from DC: I'd do this trade in a heartbeat but DC probably wouldn't. Paulo Jr. from RSL: He's just 22 and only has 4 appearances but he played well in the last meeting vs RSL. This would be a look to the future. Just some ideas. Thank you Shalrie, but it's time to pull a Bourque and send you to a team with a shot to win something.
Based on your reasons to trade him, plus his off the field issues, plus the fact that he's almost always playing hurt, plus he might get called up for WCQ duty for Grenada... Let's be careful not to overestimate his value to other teams. I suspect DeRo had more years left on his contract so his situation was different. I would value him and his contract situation as maybe a 2nd round draft pick, another teams backup player who would probably start for the Revs (and then we'd put him on the To Be Upgraded list), or some allocation money. I'd rather keep Shalrie for the second half of this season.
Davy Arnaud - going to be out for 6 weeks due to hernia surgery. Revs need healthy players. PASS Chris Wondolowski - Pipedream Joel Lindpere - NYRB wouldn't do that. They went younger and cheaper in the Dax-DeRo trade, they won't do the reverse for Shalrie. Charlie Davies - First, he's on loan from Socheaux, so he would be gone after this season is over. Second, D.C. wouldn't trade their flotation device, one of the top goalscorers currently in MLS.
We don't need healthy players now. We need healthy players next season. Getting a player who could make an impact this season would be pointless. The season's over already. It's currently the 2012 pre-season. The rest of our matches are just warm-ups for next year.
Your not going to anything like that for Joseph mainly for two very important reasons. 1. he as a big contract 2. That contract run out at the end of the season. So that means he is a high risk for anything other then a short term fix. So at best he would get some combination of draft picks, allocation money and maybe a B starter. I think I'll pass.
If they could get something for Shalrie, I'd trade him. This team is going nowhere and keeping Shalrie around to keep our dignified 2-1 losses from becoming 3-0 ass whoopings is stupid if you can improve the team for the future by trading him.
I say nay on the based on the belief that the FO and brass, as currently consitututed, would most likely botch the assessment of "value" of potential players coming back at us in a trade.
You suspected wrong. DeRosario is essentially at the end of his contract. His contract has a club option for next season, but he supposedly wants DP money. There isn't much of a difference between he and Shalrie's situations. Shalrie would surely get more than a 2nd round pick or a bench player.
Nice idea in theory but I wouldn't trust Burns and Nicol to get any value for him. They'd probably trade him for some injury prone washed up player - or send him to the Rapids for Wells Thompson
This is the sad truth. We'd likely get a Zak Boggs, a Shilawski or a couple Dabos. The people making the deals are the heart of the problem. Still, I guess they have to keep trying. I am interested to see SJ on another team with a good cast around him. Plus, I suspect he would let a few juicy tidbits drop about REVs Central. For his sake, I hope he latches on with a good team.
It would probably be the wise move to make, but as others have noted, Nickel/Blooter wouldn't get a good deal.
Oops, I missed him. He's on loan through the end of this season with an option to extend so unless he's impressive here in NE I doubt he'd be back. And that would put him in the same position as Shalrie - so who would you prefer for the last 12 games of this season, and then say good-bye to? Shalrie holds the midfield together and adds a goal now and then. Paulo Jr would likely contribute more to scoring goals but his production would be hard to tell because he would be getting the support of hypothetical Rev's teammates versus his current RSL ones. Paulo Jr would also do nothing towards helping the defense. The key there is the club option for next season. I could care less right now about how much he wants to be paid. EDIT: To add an idea of my own, I could see the possibility of trading Shalrie and a 3rd round Superdraft pick to move up in the allocation ranking to take Eddie Johnson (if he comes back to MLS this summer), if a team would rather have a strong DMid/central midfielder over a striker with in very questionable scoring form. Thoughts?
You still have to negotiate a new contract next year. If he wants more than you're willing to pay then he's walking out the door. It's not very different than Joseph's situation.
Thread title is should they? I believe so. Also believe they should be shopping Reis, who would not be a part of rebuild, and other older players. One thing not mentioned so far is why they won't do it: - All they really want to do is make the playoffs ("Hey we were kind of close") and they can't look like they're giving up on that - They believe they can re-sign Shalrie, scrape the talent barrel, and 0-0/1-0 their way into the playoffs next year (the plan for the last few years) Both of those ideas are probably unrealistic but that's the organization's direction.
You yourself have said that his team is in a rebuilding stage. Why not trade your 33 year old, aging star now while he still has some value? I'm glad you're not a part of the real world decision making process If you were, we'd still be waiting for Twellman to return to the field
That's not true. It's already in the contract. EDIT: If they had to negotiate a new contract for next year, it would be no different from just retaining his MLS rights for a period of time, which is how all MLS contracts work.
"De Rosario is earning $443,750 this season, the final year of his contract. The Red Bulls have a club option for 2012, and squeezed De Rosario under the league’s $2.8 million salary cap because Toronto is paying part of his contract this season. De Rosario is looking for a raise next season, just desserts, he feels, for an MLS résumé that ranks among the top in league history. More money, however, would likely only be possible if De Rosario is named the Red Bulls’ third Designated Player — meaning just $335,000 of his salary counts against the salary cap — even though the salary cap will balloon to roughly $3.1 million in 2012." DeRosario Contract Details
I would not be looking to shop Shalrie. - I believe he could play several (3?) strong more seasons. The team asks a lot from him currently w.r.t. attacking and defending responsibilities. I think he can have good seasons in the future if they dial back those responsibilities to that of a traditional holding midfielder and maybe at some time to a central defender. - He is a strong leader and that is a trait that is hard to find. Professional sports teams have long seasons and they pretty much all go through turbulence; leaders can help shorten those periods of turbulence. Assuming this team is going to go through another transition of players coming and going, having Shalrie around makes a lot of sense to me. - He is the face of the franchise. You've got to have someone to market to the ticket buyer.