Timmay Too: The Chandler thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, Apr 30, 2011.

  1. ricksoccer

    ricksoccer New Member

    Feb 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Hate to say it but Bradley made of mistake by not forcing Chandler's hand by playing. We really needed in this Gold Cup especially went Cherundalo went down.

    If were going to beat Mexico going forward were going to need to be at full strength or we have no chance at beating them. I understand people being injured by Holden but Chandler should of been on this team. He definitely would of played and made a difference out there.
     
  2. EXALIFTIN

    EXALIFTIN Member+

    Nov 23, 2010
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    holden smash :D
     
  3. Grogtank

    Grogtank Member

    Sep 5, 2009
    Vegas Baby
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    haha! I so wish I had photoshop skills right now.
     
  4. JcUSA

    JcUSA New Member

    Jul 26, 2003
    Boca Raton, Fl
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just for $hit$ and giggles: If Klinnsy is the coach of the US team, Does this happen?

    I'd say Timmy C would be on the roster.
     
  5. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe, but look at the English stars who turned down a call-up for the U-21 UEFA championships. And Stuart Pearce fits most BS posters' definition of "a real manager."
     
  6. JcUSA

    JcUSA New Member

    Jul 26, 2003
    Boca Raton, Fl
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Real manager" -> lol. Didnt Beasley play for Pearce?

    Isnt that the norm for youth teams in England? Players rather stay with their club teams.
     
  7. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not over the summer break, I don't think.
     
  8. cyberthoth

    cyberthoth Member+

    Nashville SC
    Aug 7, 2000
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You clearly have not been paying attention to the plight of Yanks Abroad for very long.

    Freddy's Copa and Gold Cup participation two years ago didn't exactly help him with his club. Kirvoski scored against the German national team and never played for his German club again. There are many many more examples out there of clubs punishing a player for National team duty.

    Keeping clubs happy is a delicate dance for a national team coach. This is even more true when it involves a young player and a Gold Cup European coaches do not respect.

    Let's say Chandler does get called in and the Club is pi$$ed. There have been many examples where clubs in that situation simply don't play the player. That would be a horrible situation for Chandler and the Nats.

    You can hardly blame Bob for trying to keep the club happy in this situation as an in form and likely improved Chandler during qualifying is more important than the role he would've played at the Gold Cup.
     
  9. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except this was the 2nd most important tournament we play. If he was hurt, fine, but the club needs to deal with Continental championships.

    Guys don't take a pass on the Euro tournament. Hell, the African Cup of Nations occurs *during* the Euro season.
     
  10. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really, Chandler owes us one. And if Bob is still around he will be on his shit list for some time.
     
  11. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, let's not forget that Chandler did have some minor injuries too. It was a tough loss to Mexico, and Chandler would've helped a lot. But, to my way of thinking, what matters most is putting together the strongest possible World Cup team. At this point, that means doing everything possible to keep Chandler healthy and in the good graces of his club.
     
  12. braun

    braun Red Card

    Feb 22, 2001
    metro Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Milktoast.
     
  13. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And your disagreement would be with what, exactly?

    Other than the actual spelling of "milquetoast?"
     
  14. b-El

    b-El Member

    May 6, 2010
    London
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Just Wilshere (with good reason). Rest had injuries/fitness issues.

    It's the U-20s that no one shows up to.
     
  15. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right, and Chandler apparently had minor injuries too. If I were him, I wouldn't want to risk getting hurt worse and derailing what has been an unusually fast rise to first-team soccer by having to sit out on the preseason or even the start of the season and then coming in out of shape.

    Maybe his minor injuries were a smokescreen and he's secretly plotting to get called up to the German NT, but I'm willing to take him at his word until he gives me a reason to do otherwise.
     
  16. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is not about secret German plots, but the fact he wasn't there when the team needed him by his own choice.

    I would have preferred for him to rail against his club as other players have notably done.

    He didn't and I'm disappointed by it.
     
  17. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But only if he wasn't actually hurt, right? That's the thing--if he's got some minor injuries that could easily turn into something serious during a real game, then declining a call-up makes sense and there'd be no reason for him "to rail against his club."

    As far as I can tell, everybody insisting that he should've come to the Gold Cup is assuming that Chandler was perfectly healthy. Since he said otherwise, I'm not willing to make that assumption.
     
  18. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's 21 and has been playing with the first team for less than 6 months. Chandler was in the position to do nothing. If he had I'm sure they would have welcomed him to the bench.
     
  19. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly, he would have missed the first two weeks of preseason.

    Josh Gatt was also denied by Molde so he wouldn't miss time with his club.

    It seems like a prudent thing to do for a young player that is just breaking into the first team.

    Tim owes Nuernberg a lot for giving him the chance and I can fully understand why he would want to respect their wishes. Like I've always said, if it wasn't for Nuernberg seeing something in him and giving him a chance the Tim & US wouldn't even be in this position.
     
  20. Lascho

    Lascho Member+

    Sep 1, 2008
    Hannover, Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    A smokescreen is the last thing the DFB wanted any young player to use. Even in case they're interested in Chandler, they'd want him to openly declare for Germany before any actions take place. Young players (especially below U19 level) are free to have a look at other feds; but they have to declare they want to come back, not the other way around.
     
  21. braun

    braun Red Card

    Feb 22, 2001
    metro Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're saying first of all that he is in the bag. He's not, even if he has said he would like to play with us. We do not know the whole story I suspect, and if we covet him, maybe Germany is coveting him now too. Wouldn't you if you were German? Whether you had someone else at that age with his talent and ability to play RB or not?
    Second of all, you do not know that he was kept in Germany by his coach or club because they wanted him to stay healthy for next season.

    Thank you for the spelling correction. I did not know that.
     
  22. braun

    braun Red Card

    Feb 22, 2001
    metro Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh I don't know about that.
    Perhaps you have talked yourself into this idea.
     
  23. Lascho

    Lascho Member+

    Sep 1, 2008
    Hannover, Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Or perhaps not. Everybody's free to decide.
    Oh, maybe I overlooked something; did you try to add anything to the debate with your posting?
     
  24. smithfan

    smithfan Member+

    Aug 14, 2005
    Waimoana
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No, he hasn't. The last Statements from the German federation regarding Chandler confirm exactly what he was saying.
     
  25. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Yes, but it's not an important tournament to the clubs. They're interested in 1) league success, 2) keeping their best players fit so as to achieve that success, 3) being able to sell/trade their best players to bring in players that will make the squad better.

    Playing in the Gold Cup helps them with none of this. Playing in the Copa America might help with no. 3. Right now, if an English team are interested in Chandler, they can use how he performed in the BLiga against the likes of Bayern, Leverkusen, Dortmund, etc to evaluate his quality. How Chandler would have performed against Canada, Panama, Guadeloupe and Jamaica would have given them no yardstick to measure his ability.

    If the USA were in the Copa America instead of Costa Rica, playing Argentina, Colombia and Bolivia, with a chance of playing Uruguay or Chile in the elimination rounds, a club will be a lot more willing to release Chandler because there'll be a much better gauge of his ability.
     

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