Gulati on Bob Bradley: "We'll have something to say later this week"

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by humin12, Jun 28, 2011.

  1. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you talking about the guy from the Union-Tribune? He's really hit-or-miss in his articles. For the most part I enjoy his work but sometimes he irritates me with his arrogant/patronizing tone about US soccer. The dude can be a snob. If you're not talking about him...well...oops?
     
  2. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Yes I'm talking about Mark Zeigler.
     
  3. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't even know he was known outside of San Diego. Let alone inside.
     
  4. JcUSA

    JcUSA New Member

    Jul 26, 2003
    Boca Raton, Fl
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you giving odds for him being fired? I might be tempted by a 20-1 line that Bob gets fired.
     
  5. WrmBrnr

    WrmBrnr Member+

    Apr 12, 2001
    San Carlos
    If he has lost the team, the he should definitely go. But a lot would depend on who USSF hires as a replacement...
     
  6. Que Bueno

    Que Bueno Member

    Aug 7, 2010
    Kentucky
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    False they were in 3rd place in the Bundesliga and falling fast. That ended up winning zero trophies that year (1999)


    3rd place Bayern fire Jurgen Klinnsman
    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=641155&sec=europe&cc=5901


    Bayern Munich concede 5 goals

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=634308&sec=europe&cc=5901

    Bayern Munich concede 4 goals
    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=641294&sec=europe&cc=5901

    Bayern suffer 7th defeat of the season
    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=640777&sec=europe&cc=5901

    Shall I go on? Fact is he is a terrible manager that should not be given the regains of the USMNT. Unless it's "The Director of Youth Development"... but as far as coaching we need a tactician ala Rafa Benitez. <---- not saying he would coach the USMNT just making an example.
     
  7. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I used to live in the SD area.
     
  8. tehphil

    tehphil Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    Colorado
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "While the Gold Cup result wasn't what we were looking for and we are certainly disappointed, we have all the confidence in Bob Bradley to put together a wining team in time for World Cup 2014 blah blah blah."

    I'm sure that's all Gulati is going to say :(
     
  9. whitecloud

    whitecloud Member+

    Jan 25, 2009
    Gulf Shores, AL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree with this. Gulati has been working on this. We have a technical director at the youth level--see Claudio Reyna's new job title. Klinsmann wanted to oversee some changes at the elite development level, well some people balked, but MLS went ahead and took that control from them anyway. They could block Klinsmann from doing it to them, but his advice lived on and they couldn't stop MLS from advancing their development academy agenda. Some of the things Klinsmann wanted control over have already happened. Blaming Gulati because Klinsmann wasn't the person responsible for the changes doesn't mean that change ceased to happen.
     
  10. dsirias

    dsirias Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    And does anyone consider why the US women's national team so good year in and year out?
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    Just an aside but.............
    What planet have you been living on? The USA women have been in a downward spiral since the early 2000s. Yesterday they were lucky not to lose North Korea for chrimeny sake.
    They are old, slow, have the touch of donkeys, play like Stoke City, have a coach who playes favortites worse than Bob, and have player development(skill development) problems that make the men's side problems look minor in comparison. The USA women are only the third best in the world right now, at best, and sliding downward as every year passes. Because the Federation fiddles while Rome burns there too.
     
  11. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    You might when the other option is Jonathan Bornstein. However, last time I saw Spector play RB he was absolutely torched by ManU (embarrassingly so).
     
  12. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stoke qualified for European Play ... just saying.

    But you notice that the initiative didn't happen until after the Klinsmann fallout. It isn't that he didn't hire Klinsmann (you could insert any potential coach).

    I most certainly blame Gulati, especially if it took something like that to get the ball rolling. These types of things shouldn't be done in the board room by suits. The only thing they should do, is give the ok. The actual execution of such things should be done by the coaches/staff of the pyramid. It should be the HC of the USMNT and his iniatives/way of doing things that trickle down, not Gulati's.

    The MLS Academy agenda is not the same as the USA Soccer agenda.
     
  13. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    oooooh, third. Kind of like Van Gaal.

    And to suggest Bayern haven't recovered from such an incomptetent fool as Klinsman is absurd.
     
  14. ant0n

    ant0n Member+

    Jun 12, 2007
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When Van Gaal got Munich to the CL final and the talking heads still wanted him gone says it all doesn't it?
     
  15. Qamle

    Qamle Member

    May 2, 2004
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Why can't we choose a style of soccer that we want to develop on our senior team and then force implementation of said style at all levels of our youth programs? If it's going to be 4-5-1 counter-attacking (or whatever), then only look for the players who can fit into that system at a young age, promoting only the worthy players into the next level up where they will again participate in a team that focuses on that style, just at a higher level?

    We need to have a long term vision, which I feel is totally non-existent at the moment, and then dedicate our-self to it's implementation.
     
  16. I don't know, I think that is part of the problem. This strategy totally ignores the talent we have on hand, which is s serious issue for Bob over the years. He never figured out how to use players that didn't fit the mold he was constructing. I will concede that he has occasionally thought outside his comfortable box, but for the most part, he has been pretty set in his ways.

    We are not good enough yet to impose our style of play on our opponents. We just aren't. We need somebody that can analyze, anticipate, and adjust, not just formations, but personnel based on who we are playing and under what conditions.
     
  17. NE till i die

    NE till i die Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    Stoughton, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My guess is that Gulati will just back BB some more and maybe announce another big friendly that we can get blown out in.
     
  18. KingLouisXVI

    KingLouisXVI BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2011
    Because then most posters on here would be complaining that we counterattack too much and don't play "real" soccer or "beautiful" soccer, and that we should fire the coach and hire someone to implement a Latin style, and if and when that doesn't work they would want to fire the coach again and hire someone to implement a European style.

    We should adjust our style of play on the basis of who our best XI are and how they play best. We maybe aren't doing that right now.
     
  19. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's probably the case. Although if Bradley stays, and we all know he will, it would be nice if they at least hired a Technical Director. Who knows if Bradley would heed their advice, though.
     
  20. whitecloud

    whitecloud Member+

    Jan 25, 2009
    Gulf Shores, AL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, again I disagree. It is not the federation's nor the national manager's job to develop players at the professional level. And it isn't in Germany or England or Spain nor any other high profile fed either.

    MLS absolutely should be taking the lead in those initiatives. It is only the fed's job to stay out of the way.
     
  21. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with that point.

    Something which has been said numerous times, which I agree with, is that good coaches develop a system around their talent, not try to squeeze talent into their system. That is what's wrong with Bobs approach. He has a system, and looks for talent to fit that system. A better coach, who can teach/implement different systems, would look at our talent, and then develop a system to get the most out of that talent.
     
  22. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still think we have enough talent to make it fun and I don't hunk it'll be bunker ball.
     
  23. dsirias

    dsirias Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    Something which has been said numerous times, which I agree with, is that good coaches develop a system around their talent, not try to squeeze talent into their system. That is what's wrong with Bobs approach. He has a system, and looks for talent to fit that system. A better coach, who can teach/implement different systems, would look at our talent, and then develop a system to get the most out of that talent.
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    So true And his style always involves Bradley junior. That is what makes Bob so polarizing and the stinging salt in the wound that many here can't get past (and that no one can justify). It's especilly acute for those coaches among us who broke their balls to not even have the appearance of favoratism and not play our own kids, at all, unless they deserved it, and certainly not mold the team around our own kid if not needed.
     
  24. Que Bueno

    Que Bueno Member

    Aug 7, 2010
    Kentucky
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering the headache's he caused while only winning 1 trophy in 2yrs I can understand some peoples argument that he needed to go. He was the complete anti-Bayern manager. Simply because Bayern President Uli Hoeness is and always will be the out spoken Alpha-male of the Bayern outfit.

    However I do think LvG would work coaching the USMNT because he is a good coach and tactician he has proven it at Ajax (prior to Bayern) and he would be a superstar with fanbase with his outlandish comments. Also Sunil doesn't crave public attention the way that Uli Hoeness does. Thus I don't think their personalities would clash.

    If we put Klinsmann in charge of the youth set-up and hired LvG (or Rafa Benitez) then I would think the USSF was really getting serious about things.
     
  25. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where did I say that it was ? Oh right, I didn't.

    MLS academies are there to produce players for their MLS clubs, not the national team. What, you think the Arsenal youth system is there for the English National team ?

    What should be done, is incorporate the entire development academy into a linear system.

    And uh, the fed's job is to step out of the way. As in, higher the coach and then get the hell out of the way.
     

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