71st Street underpass

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  1. SoFo

    SoFo Member

    May 19, 2007
    Chicago, IL
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    BRIDGEVIEW -- U.S. Rep. Dan Lipinski (D-Western Springs), Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan (D-Chicago) and others attend groundbreaking for a $27 million underpass near Toyota Park. 11 a.m., 71st Street and IHB/CSX Tracks, just west of Toyota Park.

    Wow, $27 million. I wonder what it would cost to send the Orange Line out there?
     
  2. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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  3. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    It looks like this is for an underpass for the train tracks just west of the stadium on 71st St. This would be a major inconvenience during construction, but would be great once it is done. Anyone who has been trying to get to the stadium and has been caught at a freight train there knows what a pain that can be, being 200 yards from the stadium and waiting 15 minutes for the train to go by.
     
  4. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I suggested they look into the Metra. We know from Naperville that the Metra will send a special train for events. I imagine something like Ravinia's stop that dumps people off right in the parking lot.

    http://t.co/f5JmhqM

    That map shows a little dot for a current (hardly used) Metra stop and another dot right at that crossing at 71st. There's about a one and a half mile stretch of (I believe) CSX rail between the two locations.

    If the village can get permission to use that 1.5 mile stretch, a convenient Ravinia-like stop could be added right next to the parking lot. A Union Station to Toyota Park Direct would be nice.
     
  5. SoFo

    SoFo Member

    May 19, 2007
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    A billion here, a billion there...
    I suspected so, and given that there's nothing else over there, it's hard to imagine there being sufficient traffic to support such an extension. The CTA has other priorities.
    The 71st Street underpass will be great for folks driving to and from the stadium, once it's finished.
     
  6. SoFo

    SoFo Member

    May 19, 2007
    Chicago, IL
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    I suspect that those tracks are heavily used by freight traffic, and as a result any passenger service there would be unreliable.

    I still think that from a public transportation standpoint, what's needed most is a limited-stop Pace bus on Harlem Avenue from Lake Street (Green Line and U.P. West line), stopping at Madison Street, I-290 (Blue Line), Roosevelt Road, Cermak Road, the Harlem Avenue Metra Station (BNSF), Ogden Avenue, 55th Street and 63rd Street. Maybe three runs before the game and three runs after. Opportunities for people who live on or near Harlem to get on the bus without going downtown, or to connect from other rail and bus lines.
     
  7. CHthirteen

    CHthirteen Member

    Jul 13, 2008
    Chicago
    Wow that's good that this is getting done.

    My thought for better access to Toyota Park is that they set up an offsite park-and-bus situation, maybe somewhere off the exit for 79th, like the Cubs do where you can park at DeVry and they just bus you in. Takes strain off the bottleneck for entry/paying a little bit.

    Maybe locate it near the Metra stop, so that the busses can pick up metra riders too.
     
  8. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    There are four lanes of rail and I've only ever seen two in use. A parallel "spur" could be built if necessary, just to get the train off to the side. That would be a couple million dollars as opposed to $500 million for an Orange Line extension.

    Maybe someone could siphon off part of the $27 million for the underpass.

    The Pace 307 runs frequently from Grand to 63rd and Harlem. It's underutilized for sure.
     
  9. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Seems excessive. I come in from that side too off of Roberts Road and 71st. You would think they could pay off the freight line that uses that track to simply hold trains 30 minutes before and after events at TP. The rest of the time, who cares if a train is going through that spot? A couple million for a ten year commitment to simply schedule a little better? I'm thinking that train company would go for that (assuming it is one company which I would think would be the case.
     
  10. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    That would be a pretty good idea. Inexpensive, as opposed to the alternatives, and convenient for those in the City and near suburbs.
     
  11. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    I think the residents that use that street complained, it would benefit them most of the time.
     
  12. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    You are probably right. There aren't a lot of neighborhoods right there. I think you have to go at least half way to Roberts Road to hit a residential block, but they probably do try to sneak over to Harlem a lot more than we ever would.
     
  13. Sparky98

    Sparky98 Member

    Jun 8, 2007
    If memory serves, that is what was suppose to happen.
     
  14. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Ill just be using my season ticket holder gift.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. radmonkey

    radmonkey Member

    Oct 27, 2007
    $400 million dollars.

    Seriously. That's how much it would cost to extend the orange line to Ford City. To Bridgeview it would be a similar cost.
     
  16. dabes2

    dabes2 Member

    Jun 1, 2003
    Chicago
    Couldn't they just build a 10-20 story tower at the midway orange line station and have people zip line to Toyota park from there.
     
  17. FireWitch

    FireWitch Member

    Oct 18, 2004
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    Two flaws with your rescheduling suggestion. First, it's not just 30 minutes before and after that would make the difference, especially before. People are arriving for 3 hours before the game, granted in different numbers at different times. And secondly, that "30 minute" delay affects railroad scheduling throughout the country. It's not just one train in one place, it affects all trains in all places. A 30 minute delay could conceivably cause huges delays elsewhere causing much worse inconvienences than someone having to wait a few extra minutes to get to a sporting event. Before anyone gets started, I know how important a Fire game is. But when put in the perspective of someone needing to get to work on time or in the back of an ambulance is it really worth it?
     
  18. genpabloescobar

    Feb 17, 2002
    Considering the backlog of freight trains in the Chicago area is ridiculous as is, stalling them even further would cause even worse bottlenecks everywhere else. I can't remember the figure, but it was something like 80% of the railraod grade crossings in the USA are in Illinois and 50% of those are in the Chicago area...that means, 40% of rail surface crossings in the USA surround Chicago. I wish I knew where I read that once upon a time.

    The people who live there. The truckers who need to access the warehouses west of that intersection. They're not spending 27 million just to appease the fans who come in from Roberts Road...this is a major need for the area.
     
  19. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    I live within pissing distance of a crossing for the BNSF. I'm fully aware of the minor inconvenience of trains. It is absolutely rare to have a delay of more than 5 minutes -- usually, its less than that. Now, 5 minutes immediately before a game or when hundreds of cars are all looking to exit a parking lot at the same time can cause a real headache.

    But for the residents and trucks it is just that -- a minor inconvenience. The ambulance is a good point but there is an overpass at 79th -- just one mile south. It sucks, but you see ambulances stopped all the time near me as there is a hospital immediately on the other side of the tracks. I'm just saying that $27 million seems excessive for that crossing and if you take TP out of the equation, does this even come up?
     
  20. tacubo

    tacubo Member

    Jul 8, 2004
    Chicago, IL
    Could it be an obstacle in attracting new business to the area? Maybe it's something that was asked for in order for a business to open up or relocate.
    Maybe they intend to push more traffic through there while another road is upgraded.

    Who gives a f...!? As long it makes my game day experience a bit more pleasant why bitch about it :D
     
  21. Es Brennt

    Es Brennt Member+

    Feb 25, 2003
    Shermer, Illinois
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    The underpass is said to allow trains to travel through at a higher speed.

    Over the long run that means MONEY.
     
  22. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I still want to see a Metra stop there.
     
  23. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    For the hobos who "ride the rails"? ;)

    Of course it would be great if there was Metra service someone near Toyota Park.
     

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