Copa del Autobús - The OTT [R]

Still u should attack on the counter what was he hoping for some lucky goal from a set piece? Barca had Iniesta out and all the left backs out, im pretty confident that real madrid with such players as they have could and would win this match if they pressured more and attacked more, im almost certain.

 

Did you even read the rest of the post? Jesus Christ.

Also if you are going to count hitting and hoping from 25 yards out as attempts on goal, you are going to have stats that make little sense.

 

What I meant was, the actual possession statistic means almost nothing at all.

I agree with what you've written.

My point is: Possession !=> Dominance

 

Missed the match and don't want to read all these posts....can someone give me a quick summary?

 

When you get an new Khedira thread up I'll be happy to respond to that last post.

Til then, can we now agree that Khedira offers far more going forward than Lass? There's a difference between running relentlessly and running with a purpose for instance.

Having said that I think you also missed Carvalho's leadership at the back.

 

Barca get a 9.5 for theatrics. I could hardly watch this.

 

I know, just wanted to elaborate because there is a strong hatred of possession-based game going around BS which I think is deeply misunderstood and over-generalized. But yes I agree with the latter as well.

Every tactic needs a purpose but that purpose should live within a context.

 

Statistics in general don't give concrete conclusions. This isn't just in football. They give a probability, and in football, having possession doesnt mean you have a high probability of winning (one could do a test and check winning teams vs winning possession, but any conclusion would commit a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy).

This is why statisticians never take firm stances on anything. It is also why I hate statisticians. I am a self loathing creature.

 

Football365's summary: Apart from the two Leo Messi goals that gave Barcelona a 2-0 win (the second was astonishing), it was an ugly game in which both sides disgraced themselves with assorted acts of cheating, from diving, kicking, whining, feigning injury and generally acting like total arses.

 

It completely depends on the team imo. If a team is specifically based on possession and they win the possession then they are playing their game and it's more likely that they will score because its their game you're playing. If a team manages to stop that and play their own game then they will have the upper hand.

 

Well basically it goes like this.

Real employed the same tactics that allowed them to win the Copa Del Rey. Things were goign along the same exact route until Pepe was red carded for a challenge I thought was only worthy of a yellow. Then after Barca finally score two goals.

Now in between all that, we saw a bunch of bullshit between both sides as far as handbags, diving, arguing ganging up on the ref etc.

You do not have to go back and watch this match because it was far from a classic.

And and I think RajKaria aka Winning eleven has a crush on Youngstars.

 

pep: mourinho is the f****** chief.
madrid: same tactics as previous two encounters.
barcelona: stifled and frustrated in first half.
halftime: pinto red carded for punching some dude in a suit.
second half: pepe fouls alves. red carded.
messi: scores.
messi: scores on a terrific goal.

edit: oh yea. lots of diving, playacting, swarming the refs. but you probably assumed that.

and mourinho was sent to the stands.

 

A possession based game when implemented properly is an incredibly easy way to win matches in a very efficient manner. Least expenditure per reward.

I like seeing possession football the way Barca was in 08/09. Possession + Aggressive goal threat. That team was one of my favourites to watch. United in 07/08 was like that as well, but United often conceded possession to fully utilize the team's counter attacking ability.

 

I actually think that possession for Barca is defensive. Most of their possession leads exactly nowhere. Rather than attack with abandon, they keep the ball. They minimize risk forever and a day until it reaches the area and then they try something. The key is, the ball and the players arrive up the pitch at the same time, so that when the opponents win the ball, Barca can press with several players.

The resulting turnover is actually most commonly the precursor of their goals.

 

lol. Damn i've really got to your head. I'll stop now, don't worry.

 

I read that Jose said the plan was to go from a quasi-4-3-3 without a #9, to bringing on a pure #9, to playing a #10 behind three forwards. The sending off changed that.

 

Possession is the best defensive tactic.

Prevention is always better than intervention. This applies to all things in life.

 

But that's the point no? Think of Argentina when Riquelme lead the team. Since he managed to keep the ball so much it took a lot of pressure off the defense. Most of the ball was kept in the midfield or the forwards and the Argentina defense didn't have so much on them. Especially in that situation since the defense was not that good.

Basically if you can play possession correctly it helps the attack and the defense.

It's a big reason why the Argentina NT has been screwed up. No one currently has been able to replicate what Riquelme did and unfortunately Riquelme has been injured non stop for years.

 

the thing that really confuses me about you, is you actually think a lot about yourself thats not true even over the internet.

You should make your baby picture your facebook profile again, that way everyone can understand why you are such a retard. You looked retarded as a 6 month old, and you look retarded now.

 

If only you could read all the neg-reps he has given me.

Just visit my page and read the pages of comments this guy has left me. This shit is obsessive and shocking... very funny, but still stalker-like and shocking.

 

- mourinho

 

Wow, thanks. Was it really that bad?

 

Yes.

 

Possession is obviously useless when you dominate and do nothing with it. You look back and see you have all of the ball, have players like Messi, Villa and Xavi, and do not get a goal. That is when possession is useless.

When possession is really in your favour it should be the platform to give you chances and goals.

As mentioned before by somebody, I can't remember - possession also means keeping the ball away from the other team, limiting them with their play, shots, chances. (Credit to the person who mentioned that, apologies I didn't quote)