Moreno needs to stay in Shaktar. The futbol is good, and he's around a great environment. Let him fight for his position. It will make him a better and more humble player. At this level, it's not easy to break down a player. All the players that are easily broken down were filtered out long time ago prior to reaching this level. This is a mans league.
I perfer for him to go to a lower level league, but get MAX playing time. Players arent sharp when on the bench, makes our NT suffer.
I agree with you 100% he should stay and fight! But he is not physically fit to fight for a position, he is big and slow. Comparing him to Pedriel, just look how pedriel moves and jumps. Just look at Chicharito and how physically fit he is. In order to put up a fight you need your foundation to be strong and his is not. Shame! BTW: if this "bolivia" player works out well, it might be Pedriel and Bolivia and Marcello might be comfortable where he usually is ... the bench.
Moreno is definitely fit enough. Theres no question about that. He's not the best athlete in the world, but his physicality is what attracts many teams. Most players that have his physicality don't have his touch. Is it great? No. But he has enough top end speed and talent to keep up with europes top leagues. His athletism lacks. I'll give you that. But he's clearly a physical player with a decent touch for a South American. Most physical players, especially in europe have brick feet. He may lack abit on his touch for a south american, but his touch is still good. Europes speed is crazy fast. In Brazil, he outpaced and overpowered many defenders. Not soo easy in europe where size and speed takes presidence. In Bolivia and many leagues in SA, it doesn't matter how fast or strong you are, it's all about talent. I'm confident Moreno would be playing 2nd division ball if he remained in Bolivia. That's how ignorant our league is. We don't know soccer. Just futbolito.
As a striker in Bolivia, Brazil, or Europe... you need speed and the ability to break a player in a 1x1. Just look at the strikers in Europe and yes some might not have the touch that marcelo has, but they make that up with speed and aggressiveness; but the most important thing is that European players are disciplined. Just like NFL players in the off season hitting the gym, players like marcelo, gallindo, and so on; they need to hit the gym in the off season. What makes me sad, is to see a player with talent with laziness all over him. I rather cheer for a player that fights and tries his best all the time, even if he lacks talent. Bolivian liga suck ass big time!
I don't know what games you've been watching, but Marcelo is anything but lazy on the field. I have no idea what your talking about as I've seen him play many times. If anything, he runs around more then anyone else. Dudes like him get covered well. He won't do well if he's covered. Especially in Europe where defenders are faster and more powerful then what he was used to in SA. He's used as a poacher. He's built for it and can handle the ball well enough to be a step above the average european poachers. We can't compare him to Adriano and other forwards on Shaktar because they are different types of forwards. The BOlivian league sucks because the owners/coaching there lacks education necessary to put force a quality product. It's gotten better though. The talent is there, but the average team has horrible disipline, training, nutrition and leadership. Basically, a failure to communicate/educate. Haha! If anything, we make the game ALOT harder, which is why we have soo many talented dudes in Bolivia. In futbolito games, we can't shoot from a certain distance, sometimes we have to pass the ball a certain amount of times before a shot can be made, we allow for other teams to regroup their shape before we go in for the kill and if we win ugly, then it feels like the other team won.
At first thanks to you for spending your time by writing down your opinions. It's interessting for me, cause I think you all have got another Background to rate him and the game he made (unlike me). I found a lot of things in your posts, I can agree with. Most likely I'm going to watch the game again next week, hope my time will allow. Maybe my little frustration is based on my sly wish, Moreno would "shine like a star" that night It's a pity, he didn't make the goal. If we take a look at the chances his teammates Costa, Jadson or Adriano throw away, that goal really would have been the coronation. But it's difficult to find in a game just half an hour before ending, you can find some other reasons, too. And I think i really knew before... Btw on a russian website I found, what Lucescu said about that situation (this is not a quote, these are my own words): Question: ...and Moreno didn't make a goal after that perfect ball played by Mkhitaryan. Answer: Moreno was scared. May he should have taken his head, but nobody knows, why he took his leg to replace. (complete here: http://terrikon.com/posts/82617, but there is nothing more said about Marcelo)
Interesting.... so he too thought he should have done a 'palomita' aka flying header in stead of trying to finish with his leg?
Per all the commentators, the cross had too much pace for a header and a bit forward for that (both english and argentinian commentators said this). I cant say for sure that he was scared, only he can answer that, but i have seen Marcelo dive for headers with potentially more dangerous areas. He is good with headers, I think the decision to hit it with the foot was right, but like Fuego says, he should've tried pusshing it with the bottom of cleat, not try the boleada.
The basics are lacking that is for sure. I was watching cronica sport after the game last night and they we talking about America's defense. They showed a video clip of the defensive line working on the basics. and that is what is needed in Bolivia, I believe some of this guys, just because they have a professional football contract they dont need to work on the basics. Plus a coach with a plan and balls also help... Because and someone said about Bolivian players... "A estos indios hay gritarles y no hablarles." On a side note... I saw Carruso with a big smile yesterday, He has a talented group and hope he can tell Vaca to sit the next game as well.
Skathantar has a great team... Lucescu made the mistake of playing the same style of game as our NT plays on away game. Especially with a team like Barcelona is a big mistake. Lucescu, I believe doesn't have confidence in Marcello and i don't think is that Adriano or costa are ass kissers! (as i read somewhere that lucescu is like a dad and so on) I would put a strikers that is explosive and can break a player on a 1x1 anytime of the day. and who has the explosive speed and can break a player on a 1x1 situation, defenatly not Marcelo. I don't know what the future holds for him, but i wish him the best.
Moreno (aswell as Eduardo but he'll gonna play RWM) in starting lineup for Tavriya - Shakhtar fixture, no surprises here. No LA at all. They are always tough at home, kickoff in 15 minutes.
Shakhtar played well entire first half including the kid, Moreno lost few scoring opportunities, not enough nor good to be blamed though, the best and only real one when he did Cristiano Ronaldo instead of simply lob a ball past the goalkeeper. 0:1 domination so far.
1:2 Shakhtar won, he scored an offside goal only (not his fault but Eduardo's) You could say finally he scamper the pitch for all 90+.
- Mister, does Marcelo Moreno's game satisfy you? - He's the player who amongst major squad part of our team. I trust him competely and I hope that trust would bring quality in future.
^How did he play? i hope that he opened up spaces for his teammates although I would really like him to score.Hope he doesn't disappoint you guys. must be tough to change your style of play like Moreno has done.
From what i could see in highlights he had one chance he missed and was substituted at the 58th by Costa.
Fuego, the chance he had wasnt a very good one, long shot at best (53 secs into clip), look at the highlights yourself. I think his best chance couldve been (1:14 into the clip) right before the end of teh half when he shouldve gotten the pass instead the other player tried to take it in himself, Moreno was WIDE open [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNlO9MDNWN4&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - ?????? (??????) ? ????????? 2-1 ????? ?????[/ame]
Hmmm... from the looks of the highlights, he had good positioning.... but chemistry and trust in him is lacking by his other teammates. That all will come if he can play more. We'll see though... he really needs a goal.
Higlhights sucks, there was so many more worth, there was load of worth putting episodes, for 10 minutes at least, no kidding. And the best opportunity Moreno had was cross which could turn into a nice header goal. Though, he didn't had much of the moments, 3 or 4, but positioning and teamwork were really above average.