MLS Week 5 Continuous PBP [Multiple R]

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Ismitje, Apr 12, 2011.

  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes.

    (As I understand it, not being a referee but regularly reading the referee forum)
     
  2. nlsanand

    nlsanand Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    To echo Jason's point, it only applies to defenders not offensive players. However, when Archundia is reffing in a match involving the American national team, it is still considered offside even if it came off an American defender.
     
  3. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    yes
     
  4. gblfxt

    gblfxt Member

    Aug 24, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how does "sometimes" sound?
     
  5. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    That's how it works on MDL.
     
  6. Ajas

    Ajas Member

    Sep 23, 2009
    3eattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    To the credit of the ARs-- I feel like they've gotten a lot of close calls right this year.

    This call was not close, and he didn't get it right.
     
  7. DragonFly

    DragonFly New Member

    Dec 31, 1999
    You can see the ball between Paulo's legs as he's about to pass it to an offside Espíndola.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. canyonvue

    canyonvue Member

    Sep 1, 2010
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Originally Posted by Jasonma
    The Rapids go into SLC without Casey, Mastroeni, and Walalce, lose two players to injury during the game, and it still takes an offside goal off a weak foul call for Salt Lake to win.

    As good as Salt Lake appears to be, they haven't been able to show it in the last year+ when playing the Rapids.

    --

    Fact is ANY game that is filled with emotion is going to be tight and close. That's just the way it is in sports. Emotion causes fumbles and mistakes and weird things happening.

    RSL played well considering the emotion involved, and the elements.
     
  9. canyonvue

    canyonvue Member

    Sep 1, 2010
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Most definitely. The wind and the mist/rain/snow - whatever it was. It was freaking cold. I felt so sorry for the players out there running around in shorts. How they don't all catch colds after that, I don't know.

    They say the wind and wetness make their passing game more difficult to execute, the ball does weird things, if it doesn't go right to their feet, it'll veer off, or it'll pick up speed when it usually doesn't.

    Elements and RSL are water and oil. It is their greatest foe.
     
  10. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So he probably appreciated Maicon Santos avoiding the pass a week or so ago. :)

    Really interesting broadcast by the way. Looked like a total 50/50 approach between RSL and Colorado. Dunny did the PBP, Marcelo Balboa did the color commentary. Sponsorship announcements were split between the teams/markets, and so were the ads up in the scorebox. Never seen anything like it before in MLS.

    Working on something cool to take its place.

    Why?

    Balboa kept saying "Spindola," no E. :confused:
     
  11. Andy Zilis

    Andy Zilis Member+

    Mar 9, 2005
    Rochelle, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's been done quite a few times. The Chicago-Dallas broadcast from week 1 this year, and I know the Fire did it a few times last year. Not sure about the ads in the scorebox, but I they did promotions for both teams and had 1 commentator from each side.
     
  12. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm with you dred. :)

    btw, some are saying the foul call leading to the fk was weak but I didn't think so. Mullan clearly kicked Olave in the midriff imho. Thought that part of it, anyway, was a good call.

    But I saw the non-called offside right away. I thought for sure they would call it back but I guess not. Then I figured on the replays maybe there was a man out of the picture who was keeping Espindola onside but I didn't think so. Of course, neither announcer mentioned it at all (totally unprofessionally).

    Kind of ironic, 'cause there were 1/2 a dozen other close RSL offside calls which both ARs got correct during the course of the game. But they (theh one in particular, obviously) blew this one.

    Also, how bad was Saborio in this game? Just terrible. I know he's coming off a knee injury but he has a donkey touch, makes poor decisions, can't pass, the works. If he plays like this v. Monterrey he won't be much help to RSL at all.
     
  13. canyonvue

    canyonvue Member

    Sep 1, 2010
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    He's done better than that. It's hard to play our passing, possession game in rain and wind. They were all having problems. So, I assume it affected Sabo, too.
     
  14. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that's putting it kindly...fell asleep rather quick... Sure, not having rested well last few days helped.. but most credit goes to LAG. If once upon a time Sigi lost his job over his unexciting team..then Bruce needs to be arrested and put in jail over what he does for those of us paying money to watch MLS matches on TV.... Just too much uninspiring garbage
     
  15. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know he scored a goal v. Saprissa but Sabo has basically been horrid the past few weeks for RSL. To me anyway, the man is definitely in a major funk. It was no surprise to me that Kreis yanked him off instead of Espindola in the 68th minute for Paulo Jr..
     
  16. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
    I noticed that, too. But the "Kimrua" thing was a mistake by the Rapids equipment manager on the jersey.
     
  17. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    post game Kreis interview, this video has a perfect angle of the goal on the opposite side of the cameras, from field level in the first 10 seconds. you can see the side ref appears to be in position to see the goal and has absolutely no obstruction preventing him from seeing espindola slide it in. espy was offside, ref didnt call it. pretty impossible to tell if a colorado player touched the ball, but i dont think it matters.

    http://rsltv.neulion.com/mlsvp/console.jsp?catid=1490&id=13683

    i also agree that sabo is in a funk right now, he's been there since the first saprissa game. i thought his first few games were pretty good, in the columbus series he was solid and the first little bit of the saprissa game. the second half of that game and on he's been off. i dont know if it was all the press and pressure of playing saprissa and going home to play against his former team or what, just in a funk. good thing kreis understands the mentality of a striker and can work with him. kreis has done a good job corralling the monster that is espindola, im sure he can help sabo work through this second season funk right now. it may be also that teams are adjusted to sabo, his tactics and how he plays, they've seen him from last year and know how he plays a little bit. now its up to sabo to pull himself up and counter those adjustments.
     
  18. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ya i noticed that when he came on, i kept looking at the jersey and i couldnt tell if my eyes/brain were doing just automatically adjusting to the miss spell or if there was an actual problem with the name.
     
  19. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
    No Colorado player touched (let alone "possessed," which IIRC is more important here) the ball between it hitting the post and it ending up with Espindola. You can see that pretty well from the original angle (or even better!: from the angle behind the goal in the MLSsoccer.com highlights).

    This new angle makes me wonder where the AR was lined up, because he didn't appear in the frame of the camera until after the ball was essentially in the net. From my days of lining, I seem to remember being told to be a yard or two behind the wall/last man on plays like this...so he probably would have had to run a minimum 10 yards in 2 seconds in order to be perfectly in line with the rebound and thus able to see the offside. Possible, but maybe a lot to ask. Doesn't make me any less upset that it was missed.
     
  20. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    LA has only 5 goals in their 6 matches, with only 2 coming from their forwards and even both of those were scored off set pieces.

    In fact, the Galz only have 2 goals - both by Juninho - off the run of play.

    After 6 matches.

    Didn't someone say they'd miss Buddle?

    Yup. Someone sure did.
     
  21. canyonvue

    canyonvue Member

    Sep 1, 2010
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    SoccerByIves - "Watched Espindola goal a bunch of times. Folan made offside call VERY close. That's a bang-bang play, tough call live"

    RSL just put themselves in a position to win.
     
  22. youth=glory

    youth=glory Member

    Sep 2, 2010
    Wait, your powers of foresight saw a team losing the golden boot winner struggling to score goals at the begging of the next year??? Can I get lotto numbers!?!?!?!?
     
  23. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it me or Chad Barrette still as bad as he was with TFC last year. He has the making of a good striker , but something is missing, I got it he can't score even without the keeper in goal.
     
  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm guessing Ives thinks the debate is based on the initial free kick, not Paulo's touch. Folan is behind the play at that point and not a part of the offsides decision making.

    (Ives get a Rapids related detail wrong? Shocking!) :rolleyes:
     
  25. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]

    I'm sure the AR was probably about 6 yards out of position just because of where he started and how fast the free kick happened. Still, the goal area line should have make it very obvious that it was a clear offside.
     

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