What? FOOKING WHAT?!?!?!?! - Other Teams Thread[R]

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Gallas over Toure?
Defoe over Balotelli/Dzeko

I just don't see it Cr7torossi. Granted Defoe has a better PL record, but Mario and Edin have barely had a chance to settle, and Mancini (and the City circus in general) just makes matters worse for both of them I think. But their talent level is clearly there.

That is sort of the point I'm making. They have tremendous potential, and talent too, but they just need the proper person to get it out of them, and get them playing as a team.

 

I'm inclined to agree aswell.

 

Purely on impact, yes.

I would say this is probably the clearest one. Toure is a liability. As is Lescott.

 

I think they are both liabilities to be honest. Out of all the CB's on both Spurs and City, the only one who would warrant a starting berth on a top 2 quality team is Kompany.

The rest are all a bit dodgy on more than the odd occasion.

 

^^ @ rvn; impact, not talent.

What exactly are you basing this? Gallas' reputation as a crybaby?

Because defensively, he continues to be class.

 

Not sure I'd say class myself. But anyway, I think we're just going to agree to disagree on this one.

But it's not really that important anyway. I don't want to turn this into a pissing contest.

 

I agree with everything else you have said except this.

Sure VDV probably has more goals and assist for Spurs. I think thats because they dont have any other quality players in the attacking third. Bale and Lennon do not quiet have the end product yet. Their strikers are really rubbish in the grand scheme of things. So yeah, they rely on him for his end product.

But Silva for City, is the only reason they can get away with playing 3 dmids. He is their link to attack. Take away VDV and Spurs can still win games. Take away Silva and you get the City of today.

I dunno, but what was he doing on Adebayor's 2nd goal?

 

The Dzeko situation is a microcosm of the Citeh situation. He's out of sorts not because he lacks talent, but rather because he's not put in a system in which he can thrive. Dzeko is an excellent forward for the prem. He's got good touch, good dribbling, strong in the air and he's inventive too.

Likewise, Citeh have quality on their books but they just aren't combined in the right way. I don't think Mancini's task is as easy as people make it sound. He's got practically a squad full of players new to the league and new to the team. Difficult to fit all of them in at once. Given some time together, they'll eventually gain some synergy. Hard for them to play fluid attractive football when they don't know the league or each other.

 

But he shouldn't have to though, right? He chops and changes so frequently, and to the detriment of the team.

The only way you can get away with such rotation is when you have a very settled team, with a settled system and philosophy. Then you can switch and swap until the cows come home.

I mean, Mancini took Balotelli off in the 83rd for De Jong today? How can anyone explain that (barring injury to Mario)?

Mancini needs to grow a pair and man up. Pick a system and go with it for a lengthy period of time. What's the worse that can happen? He get's fired and gets a massive buyout.

If he succeeds, he'd be an absolute God amongst men to the City faithful.

 

Agreed. I am fairly certain Mancini was refering to not starting Silva when he talked about "his mistake" in his post-match interview.

My point was and remains that City's first choice xi isn't top percentile. Yet.

Every defender makes the odd mistake.

 

In my view, Citeh's player mentality is a direct symptom of having money to burn but not the level of competition to offer - ie, the Champions league.

Because of this, they can't get in the hunt for any top talent that can attract a major CL contender. So what's left? Very talented players who can't get a club. What's the only reason such players can't get a club? They all have major issues with attitude, mentality and/or their relationship with their current employers. Hence you end up with multiple misfits like Mario Balotelli in your squad, getting into trouble and straining relationships.

Even more flabbergasting is that they decided to take on the least diplomatic manager in the universe to oversee such a crowd.

As I keep saying - my big fear is that they get established in the Champions League and are able to attract the talent without the flaws. As it is, the rotation of players that have been at that club in the last two years reads like a who's who of footballing douchebags.

 

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Bebe is the answer.

 

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Unfair. Bebe is a project and as such his success or failure cannot be defined this season. Should the day come that he is released from the club for significantly less than his fee, having never established himself in the first-team squad, he can be written off.

James Milner and Fernando Torres were signed with immediate impact in mind. Has Milner been that bad? Serious question. With Balotelli, Adebayour and all the other drama going on at that team, I've not paid much attention to him.

As much as I'd love to write Torres off, just for sheer comedy value alone, I think it too would be premature. If he reaches the end of the season without scoring, then you can certainly say he's been a dud for the first year, but he could catch fire at any time.

Remember how many people declared Berbatov as a failed signing before tis season.

 

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He's not exactly a great success either.

 

I'm not taking exception to anything you said. but there is a bit more to it. Dzeko was an excellent forward in Germany.. the jury is still out on the Prem.

I read an really candid interview with him a month or 2 ago and he said he was having a hard time adjusting. He said it was very hard to play in the Premier League. He couldn't believe that every club played so hard for 90 minutes. That he was being closed down and pressed for 90 minutes. He was finding it very hard to deal with the pace and the intensity of the matches.

I posted a link to the interview in the "others team" thread a while back.

 

That makes sense. It would be easier though if he had similar players alongside him. Aside from Tevez there isn't a possession oriented attacker in the team to dovetail with him. Playing with an Arsenal or a United or a Chelsea, teams with far greater ambition and more help for their forwards, he'd see less attention and get a tad more time on the ball.

 

David Silva?

 

Slipped my mind, but from what I've seen he spends most his time trying to link midfield with "attack" of which there is usually just one or two guys.

I meant people who will run beyond/alongside Dzeko to free him up.

 

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I can't find that haha pic I've seen somewhere

 

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Jens Lehman just because of the hilarity of it.

Dzeko has not been very good.