News: Paul Ryan's Budget Proposal

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    How about proposing a reduction in wars? A 33% cut in wars, perhaps?

    Seriously, let's get the ******** out of Iraq. That's obvious. And because I'm so serious about the budget, let's grow the ******** up and realize A-stan is a lost cause and get the hell out of there, too.
     
  2. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    LOL.

    I guess it is relevant to note that according to Ezra Klein, Democrats in the House are planning on releasing their proposed budget next week.
     
  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Wow, that's some heavy-duty research they do over in Republicanland. Turn in a high school AP Econ paper with that lack of due diligence, with an assumption that you can't explain so you have to backtrack when asked about it, and you'd get your ass handed to you.

    Seroiusly, how the hell did Ryan's Congressional staffers to let him embarrass himself like that?
     
  4. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    Nancy did it a day before the plan was even released. But that's what makes her such a great leader, she is always proactive.
     
  5. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    This is a good lesson to all of you who use smilies. You can do sarcasm without the rolling eyes.
     
  6. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    The irony is that it would need a significant extension of Obama's healthcare reform law to stop large numbers of seniors being ********ed. Absent that law's provisions to stop policy discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions, insurance companies aren't exactly going to be rushing to sign up seniors with vouchers in hand. Of course, the Republicans actually want to repeal those provisions rather than extend them...
     
  7. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I like Ryan making a rationing proposal. If we can talk straight up about what rationing means, that is what people we will let die, rot, or fester, then maybe we'll build up the collective will to clean up the health-care system. But I do wish Ryan would say what he is doing. He's rationing.

    FYI, The Economist just ripped Ryan a new one for claiming that Obama's energy policies have doubled gas prices. As The Economist points out, either you're a serious man with big ideas, in which case you can't make flimsy arguments that fail at a very basic level, or you're a hack who is looking to score on the President, in which case you can't present yourself as a serious man with big ideas.
     
  8. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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  9. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Ryan was similarly disingenuous about Ireland's budget woes:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/01/austerity_measures
     
  10. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    Oh well, I guess that means I can't support it. <Sigh>

    Oh wait, here comes some praise from an unlikely source:

    Good Plan! Republican Paul Ryan's budget proposal is brave, radical, and smart.

    Someone has finally put a serious fiscal plan on the table that deals with our long term problems. Now it is up to the Dems to do the same. Of course they are still grappling with the 2011 fiscal budget which is already half over. It is impossible to believe the largest entity on the planet, the US Government, can't plan more than a week in advance.
     
  11. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Um, that's exactly my point. Medicare works because it provides those within the highest risk pool an avenue towards affordable insurance. Take Medicare away and suddenly those higher risk folks are going to see healthcare costs rise incredibly.
     
  12. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    The short version:



    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Dead Kennedys - Kill the poor[/ame]
     
  13. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    I'm going to use the term "war" fairly freely here (to include any and all use of military force by the United States armed services).

    When was the last time we weren't at "war" in this country? Using that metric, and saying we can only cut military spending when we're not at "war," a problem emerges almost immediately with your argument.
     
  14. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    And for this to work, you'd have to have not only this president, but all future presidents, agree to this philosophy, because it only takes one guy to (metaphorically) blow this out of the water.
     
  15. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    And Ryan is considered the boy wonder when it comes to "serious" Republican budget proposals. Hate to see what the junior varsity comes up with.
     
  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Ryan tutored the junior varsity in March by showing them slides that revealed that Medicare/Medicaid was the big budget issue. Apparently, this was news to many.

    On a side note, if you read the comments on David Brooks's column on Paul Ryan, you'll feel a bit better about things. Brooks ... well I don't know what he was doing, it was a peculiar column about brave, intelligent, serious Paul Ryan the Camelot hero, and to judge from comments he wasn't fooling anybody. I mean he got savaged -- people were honing in on all the stuff Brooks missed: the partisan elements, the 55-year deal, the refusal to touch defense spending, the additional tax cuts, the rosy economic projections from the Heritage Foundation. Nice to see the readership got it. Worrisome that every one of them would have written a better column than the Times' actual columnist.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Heritage predicted a gain of over 1.5M jobs by this year due to the Bush tax cuts.
     
  18. NebraskaAddick

    Aug 26, 2005
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    We're becoming Greece, and there won't be any European Union to bail us out. Listen or don't listen to Paul Ryan. But eventually the capital call will come, and in the mean time, inflation....wait till about June, you're gonna love it!
     
  19. Kobranzilla

    Kobranzilla Member

    Sep 6, 2001
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    who is going to make this "capital call" you speak of?
     
  20. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Per Forbes, hardly a left-wing publication, Greece wouldn't have fiscal problems if it collected its taxes.
     
  21. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Yes, but my personal favorite part of the song goes:

    Jane Fonda on the screen today
    convinced the liberals "it's ok!"
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    OK, so WE know better. How has Ryan's proposal been received by the media elite? THAT'S the audience he cares about, not us. And the conservatively biased media elite, the same ones who created this image of Ryan the Intellectual, are not laughing this proposal out of the room. At least not yet.

    That's the thing about this asymmetric media environment. You might say, superdave, it's up to Pelosi and the Dems to fire back. Fair enough. But if the Dems proposed something this childish, would the media praise the plan until the GOPs fired back? No, they do the GOPs' work for them. This kind of bullshit is the inevitable result of nearly 50 years of the GOP mau-mauing the media.
     
  23. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Of course you are correct. The two big newspapers are the NY Times on the left and the WSJ on the right. The NY Times printed an article by its in-house writer praising the Republican budget. Will the WSJ print an article by its in-house writer praising an Obama budget?

    Nope. Never. Won't happen.
     
  24. steve-o

    steve-o New Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    That's because the Republican budget is genius. Any Obama budget is ludicrous. Duh!
     
  25. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I'm sensing from Obama's frustration that talking to Republican party leaders is like talking to you.
     

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