Government shutdown?

Of course, sink the recovery through the government shutdown. Then we'll see a 50 state sweep in 2012 in favor of Republicans and the implementation of the Paul Ryan budget. America is saved.

I can't wait for the 2.8% unemployment in 2021.

 

Yes, well, cliches that make common sense and match reality do grease the Generator, we have found.

 

You over estimate the power of government on the economy, then again if you are correct then shit, the right wingers are correct, the government is too big.

 

seriously? what evidence is there that a government shutdown (which would be a very limited shutdown since many agencies will still be operating under the "essential" or "national security necessary" categories) would sink the economy? We didn't skip a beat during the 1995 shutdown.

 

Why is it reprehensible? During the last shutdown ALL GOVERNMENT WORKERS were paid for their down time.

 

Well lets you and I hope it doesn't come to a shutdown, but the comments coming from Democatic leadership suggest they actully hope it does.

 

President Obama's already given in too much. He needs to continue to stay away from his negotiating roots and not give in. I'd rather have the government shut down for a year than give an inch to the Teabaggers. This is more than just a political squabble. This is a war of ideologies. Polls show that the majority of Americans would rather have defense cut than Medicare. Polls show that a plurality of Americans blame the Republicans for this. The notion that the majority of Americans seek smaller government is a myth perpetrated by a radical minority. Well us liberals can be radical too. Giving in sets an ugly precedent that if you can scream loud enough and be belligerent enough you can get what you want. Don't let the toddler throwing a tantrum get what he wants.

 

So if the government shuts down, and it improves the economy, you're right. If the government shuts down and it stalls economic growth, you're right. Heads I win, tails you lose!!

 

I do love those odds!

BTW, I do not think the economy will improve due to the shutdown, I do not think it will be as bad as people make it sound. (it will get bad for those people that depend on the government for paychecks).

 

Really? Where has Obama been on this issue? Up until the last election, Obama had all the power he needed to get a budget done. Granted, it would have sucked, but he or his followers can hardly blame the GOP for what might happen. And how is trying to fix our economy via debt reduction NOT being interested in people?

At least Paul Ryan is taking a stab at it. Last I checked, Obama is off to some more speeches.

 

And my bet is that this time, even the ones who are essential and have to work will be lucky to get paid.

This isn't 1994. We should be so lucky.

 

If it goes long enough that the "essential" government workers are not paid for work they did, that's wrong.

There's a fine argument for not paying workers you don't require to actually work. There's no argument to not pay workers you require to work.

 

Are you arguing that that is what the US does now? If so, how would you characterize the Scandanavian nations? How would you characterize China or Saudi Arabia or Singapore?

I'm gonna engage you in debate rather than take cheap shots at what you wrote, because we need more thoughtful conservatives around here.

 

You're lying. Please stop lying.

See what I mean, chessplayer? This guy Steamer thinks Obama is a dictator. Or something.

 

I laughed at this

 

So, all other cuts aside, unless there is a cut in defense, nothing else matters and all else is a joke?

Drive safely.

 

You know exactly what Steamer is attempting to say - that prior to the most recent election the Dems controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency. If they were able to pass health care reform, they were able to pass a budget. You are just attempting to discredit his view by attacking his non-specific view - Steamer said that Obama was able to pass the budget, that means he must think that Obama has sole power to write laws, that he is a dictator...

 

You're apparently unaware of the filibuster. Either that, or you're lying too.

 

"The Administration strongly opposes House passage of H.R. 1363, making appropriations for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2011, and for other purposes. As the President stated on April 5, 2011, if negotiations are making significant progress, the Administration would support a short-term, clean Continuing Resolution to allow for enactment of a final bill.
For the past several weeks, the Administration has worked diligently and in good faith to find common ground on the shared goal of cutting spending. After giving the Congress more time by signing short-term extensions into law, the President believes that we need to put politics aside and work out our differences for a bill that covers the rest of the fiscal year. This bill is a distraction from the real work that would bring us closer to a reasonable compromise for funding the remainder of Fiscal Year 2011 and avert a disruptive Federal Government shutdown that would put the Nation’s economic recovery in jeopardy."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saphr1363h_20110407.pdf

 

Yep, if the House Republicans can't come up with a budget that satisfies the Senate and the President then they should shut down.

President Obama is smart to prevent Republicans from pushing back the problem even longer. If they want a shutdown then they should just do it already.