Cosmos Update

Discussion in 'New York City FC' started by QueensNick, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, but both exist.
     
  2. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Hilarious dude. I just saw his thread on the Detroit boards "Stadium dreaming", which of course was an apt title thread. He's talking about an in-stadium microbrew pub and signs in Arabic. Then when you tell him what you've been doing to help get a real life stadium, instead of just dreaming about it, he calls you a liar and tells you how it can't be true.

    If you haven't been there, it's worth viewing that post, even if he's on your ignore list.
     
  3. opal347

    opal347 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 18, 2005
    Clinton Twp, MI
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a Detroiter, a friend of SYoshonis (wow, can you believe that?!), and someone who knows much more about the Detroit situation than what's been put out in public (go ahead, ask Nick if you think I'm talking out my ass), let me put this all in reference for you.

    That post, which I'll gladly link for you, was actually a copy. The original post was in our forum. From over two years ago. The Silverdome wasn't even sold until November 2009, so, yeah, it was all dreaming at the time.

    These owners aren't going to put up a show, and let's be honest, until that Cosmos Q&A, that's all I believed it was. They're working diligently behind the scenes trying to get the job done. Problem is, the league is so focused on you guys that we're on the back burner.

    Oh, yeah, we HAVE our stadium. The renovation is dependent on getting our team. Where's yours? Remember, the Jets couldn't even get a stadium built in the city. (yes, I realize that was Manhattan, slightly different situation, but still NYC) The Yankees had to jump through a ridiculous amount of hoops, too. I know you guys know very well that that won't be easy.
     
  4. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They couldnt get it built in Manhattan but they could have gone to queens with the citys full backing. The Jets declined that. They could have built a stadium in 15 acre site in Flushing Meadow parks. There was only one opponent to the idea of the stadium in that location - and he is no longer alive.

    So yes - The Jets could not build a stadium in the West side but there was a city plan to build one on the site of the Fountain of Planets (which is in Queens where the Cosmos are looking) and there was a lot of support for it. It was a 15 acre site an they even talked at that time about an MLS team for the soccer fanatic area surrounding the site.

    I wouldnt even be shocked if this is one of the areas the Cosmos have already done soil testing on.
     
  5. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Why would you think that I would think you were talking out of your ass? And why would you think that I wouldn't believe that a stadium and a team in Detroit would be a realistic possibility? And I thought you were an MLS2NYC supporter, why are you coming on here now and taunting us about not having a stadium? And finally, I know nick discussed with you what was going on, and I and others have conveyed to you what was going on, and you know us, and yet, until the Q&A you thought it was all bullshit? You just assumed we were shitheads just jerking everyone's dicks? Thanks man, very appreciated.

    I still wish you all the best man. I really do. But when some shit for brains comes on here, your "friend", and constantly tells us how we're bullshitting about what we've done and who we've talked to and why we know what we know, and meanwhile he's from a city that is not mentioned as a near future MLS site, and he opines about "multi-lingual billboards" and "brewpubs" at Detroit MLS games, yes, it's laughable.

    Good luck. I suggest that if Nick tells you something, he's telling you the truth. He's not a liar.
     
  6. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are a liar, and I've demonstrated that several times. Now, you have to lie about what I posted in order to save face.

    Show me where I posted that you were bullshitting about what you've done and who you've talked to, in which I was wrong. Actual posts, with context, not your desperate spin/lies about what I posted.

    Not that you will, or anything. You'll just hide behind your "ignore list," and continue to mischaracterize what I post, because you have to. Once again, the truth does you no favors.
     
  7. opal347

    opal347 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 18, 2005
    Clinton Twp, MI
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You guys know I was skeptical about the whole situation. I was always of that opinion. I know you have been down this road before with FCNY, and things didn't work out, so I would assume at the beginning of all this with the Cosmos that some (if not most) of you were a little hesitant. We've been there, too. You have any idea how many years we've been hearing lines from Dan Duggan on how we're going to get a USL team? I remember meeting up with all of you [and a (now former) USL rep] after the FCNY announcement with full confidence that we'd both be in USL-1 in 2010. We're still waiting for that team.

    At this point, yeah, there's some real steam building up there. I'll admit that. And Nick has heard from me countless times about the stadium situation. He's even admitted (not recently, what with the new developments, but he has) that we had that edge. Not that it means much, by the looks of it, but I'll still stand by it. It wasn't a taunt. Just pointing out a simple fact.

    No, the "multi-lingual billboards" and "brewpubs" at Detroit MLS games aren't laughable. It was just what the thread title said: dreaming. Because at the time he originally said it, it was only that. As for his actions, I realize he's only seeing things from a distance, and he's what I like to call a straight shooter. He calls it like he sees it. And he sees a lot of fluff. (This is directed at you, SYoshonis: would you quit with the attacks? Now you're just trolling. Stop it.) Have I even mentioned once that this was all bullshit? No. Not once. Skeptical? Yes. But not bullshit. As for his location, despite living in Lansing, he spends a lot of time here, and is fully invested in soccer in Detroit. Believe me when I tell you that.

    Yes, Metrogo, I was (and still am) an MLS2NYC supporter. Problem is, since I left, we got owners who are trying to get a team themselves. The simple fact is that the situation that has arisen has put our cities in a fight for #20 (that, if you haven't noticed, we seem to be losing). Forgive me if I'm not exactly peachy with the whole deal. I'll be thrilled when you guys get a team, and I'll be sure to make the trip out to see games. Honest. I just wish it wasn't at our expense.

    And as for Nick, you don't have to remind me that he's telling me the truth. I've always taken him at his word.
     
  8. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    First, no, people didn't actually believe they'd be in the league by 2010. And furthermore, you are purposely using our 45 minutes of excitement (and by the way, I never thought they were for real, you can ask the others) to discredit us and the flow of real information we have provided about what is happening for 2 years now. Syonoshis must be proud of you.

    You think we've been full of shit all along I guess, and that's too bad, because I think one of the things that should be happening in this league is for the serious fans to get together to help shape the league as we see it. I see we have one less ally in that endeavor.

    My problem is not how you rate our chances for getting a team. My problem is that you've basically said that you thought nick and the rest of us are full of shit until you heard it in the Q&A.

    Syonoshis is a straight shooter? Have you read what he writes here? No, he's an insecure little piece of shit whose whole sense of self-worth will collapse if he believes that we have done some of the things we've done. I'm not saying that boastfully, I'm just saying the truth. And that's why he calls us liars and worse when we mention that we put in a stadium proposal to the city at willets point and about 100 other things.

    We've met and we've talked and I would have thought there might be some mutual respect between us. I see you're not willing to give it. Whatever. If you get your team, I sincerely hope you can get people to the games. And ps, not many of the Chaldeans are speaking arabic anyway.
     
  9. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is a plain lie. I suppose that the irony of your lying in calling me a liar (and your calling anything anyone else posts as "laughable") is completely lost on you.

    The more you guys lie about what I post, the more I'll defend myself. Tavio, I'd love to see how you consider that to be "trolling."

    By the way, still waiting for you to post a single example of my lying, as challenged in my previous post, and several others. What's that? You can't, because it doesn't exist, but lack the character to admit it? Color me shocked.

    Ever since I first called your credibility into question, you've done nothing but vindicate that question, to the point where there is no doubt whatsoever that your devotion to the truth is non-existent.

    And that is 100% true.
     
  10. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not that Chaldeans are the only, or even predominant, Mideastern ethnicity in the Detroit area or anything. There are lots and lots of Arabic speakers around, so take your demonstrated almost-adequate knowledge and cram it.
     
  11. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We might actually have pictures of this, no?
     
  12. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NO - that was the parking lot of citi you got the pictures of soil testing - im talking about by the fountain of planets - that area
     
  13. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes I know, what I should have said as well, was that we have seen that soil testing has been done at CitiField and thru out the area. So that the claims of the Cosmos are in fact true.
     
  14. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I remember once mentioning that I spoke to a Cosmos director and that he mentioned that the stadium seating was to be in the 40k range. Yet you called me a liar, said I was bullshitting and wanted a link. Which I responded with "I can give you a link to a conversation that I had in person", which subsequently turned into my sig.

    You're just upset that NYC seems to be edging out Detriot in the running for an MLS team. If you said that it would be more sincere and believeable than any of the things you have said so far.

    Listen it's understandable. You want a team and you're not getting it. It's ok to cry a little, but you shouldn't be a bully about it. Sit with the grown ups and talk about it like men. For what it's worth you guys were real close to getting a USL team. Unfortunately the fact that the USL blew up didn't help matters for you.

    Another thing, if tomorrow someone steps up with the money and stadium plan approved, they would trump anyone for the 20th spot, Cosmos included. But as it seems, no one is there yet and probably won't be for a while.
     
  15. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Exactly. And for the record, he said I was lying when I said that serious potential investors did not seem to know that beckham's clause didn't include LA and NYC when I spoke to some of them last year. To "prove me wrong", he links to an article saying so at the end of November, 2010, apparently discounting the possibility that when I said "last year", it could have been between January and November. He followed his proof with a potty mouthed chain of nerd rage invectives.

    So that's why he's on my ignore list. I really would welcome serious conversation about this, and especially from skeptics. I think it's pretty clear by now that the Cosmos group is quite serious, but some skepticism about closing the deal is certainly legit.
     
  16. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Union and United don't, and neither do the Cosmos and Galaxy.
     
  17. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Do some research about this before you say anything else.

    http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=1388


    These are the Cosmos uniforms, now compare them to the Galaxy. The years from 1978 to 1984 are the most obvious.
     
  18. BuddhaNYC

    BuddhaNYC Member

    Jan 26, 2008
    Queens, NYC
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    gotta love the NYC expansion boards...:rolleyes:
     
  19. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's great, by the looks of it the Cosmos have plenty to choose from so they won't clash with the Galaxy. But, that is something that can be worried about if they ever field a team in MLS.
     
  20. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    ... do you? ... Excited about the Cosmos, but between the neighsayers and the cheerleaders its basically worthless.

    Ya'll need a moderator like NYC needs a stadium and Detroit needs 1950.
     
  21. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We like the lawlessness of our streets.
     
  22. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    high quality stuff.
     
  23. BuddhaNYC

    BuddhaNYC Member

    Jan 26, 2008
    Queens, NYC
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    neighsayers i cannot speak for..but the cheerleaders i know personally..yes they are outspoken peeps..but everything they have said is truth. despite what the guy in michigan says.
     
  24. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    you should see me in my cheerleading outfit.
     
  25. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Once again, spinning what I say rather than quoting it. Gosh, I wonder why...?

    :rolleyes:
     

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