Why can't our youth national teams catch up technically and tactically?

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by ricksoccer, Mar 12, 2011.

  1. El Michael

    El Michael Member

    Dec 17, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Your right it was Hockey..If I'm not mistaken a lot had to do with kids with earlier birthdays generally being bigger than those with late b-days. The bigger kids got integrated first and eventually kept younger and smaller kids born in the same year from getting the same coaching and training.

    I nother way to work around this is to expand each age group. rather than have U-10, U-11 , U-12 They could have U10-12, U13-15 etc.. players at any given time would be the youngest, somewhere in the middle or the oldest as thay move up
     
  2. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was hockey and it has been refuted by reams and reams of articles written north of the border.

    Futhermore, in the last four NHL drafts

    Taylor Hall #1 November 14
    John Tavares #1 September 20
    Drew Doughty #2 December 8
    Patrick Kane #1 November 19
     
  3. Peter Bonetti

    Peter Bonetti Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    1970 WC Quarterfinal
    When I was coaching, I could pick out a kid who's dad played soccer out of any group pretty much instantly. They were the kids who had already been taught how the game worked before they got to me. Other kids could do everything technically, but the kids who's Dads played had an idea of how to think and read the game that the other kids didn't.
     
  4. ricksoccer

    ricksoccer New Member

    Feb 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I agree with you about the u-20's team I think for the most part they are more technically sound playing together then watching the national team play. Not saying there better but the you can tell the technical skills are there and you can't say that for every national team player.

    Whether thats because they parents are immigrants raised with the game at early age, dual citizens raised with the game, or our youth system (DA academies) has gotten that much better who knows?
     
  5. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the US A team was playing Suriname they'd look like Argentina as well.
     
  6. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he is alluding to the fact that it takes at least a complete generation from father to son and so forth.
     
  7. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the U20 back four all felt comfortable and were allowed to possess and dribble routinely out from the back line .... Even Gooch on his best day scared me when he was dribbling the ball forward. Between Boca and Gooch I was scared to see them go forward.

    All four of U20 defenders looked like composed midfielders in possession.

    Yes this was only Suriname U20 ... but the attitude of Rongen's defensive lineup looked totally different .... as if they were meant to play that way and think that way.
     
  8. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's much simpler than that. If you create something new for youth soccer, lets look at the two examples. If you create a youth league, like in the 1970s, or you create new youth systems to teach new techniques, the players will need to actually go through that system. So a kid is 6 when he starts playing youth soccer, it will take roughly 20 years (25~ years old) till he reaches full maturity. There is only so much you can do to increase a persons talent from 15 years old and on, the younger you get them the better. Hence, any serious result you want to achieve takes roughly 20 years. Whether it is putting youth soccer in place in the 1970s, resulting in 1990 qualification, or the MLS and club soccer boom in the 1990s resulting in what we see now, it takes roughly 15 to 20 years for the results to bear fruit.
     
  9. ricksoccer

    ricksoccer New Member

    Feb 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    The DA academy started in 2007 so to truly see results it will take 20 years, I agree with that.
     
  10. BigKeeper

    BigKeeper Member

    Mar 1, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't agree. I think it will be a build up of talent not a slap in the face, wow! we're all of the sudden good. We will be getting more, higher skilled players every year at the National team level.
    I personally think, we will see, and already are seeing, a jump in quality from something that happened in 1997. FSC (formely Fox Sports World). That brought the worlds best players to our living rooms and subsequently into the brains of our players. Without FSC, Soccer would still be struggling in this country. With it, it has gained popularity and respect which has opened the door for talented athletes to stick with Soccer. My kids don't know a world without Soccer on TV. Their generation and the ones to follow, will be of a quality this country has never seen before from our players. The DA is just accomodating the higher quality and quantity of players and helping to push it higher.
    I would almost think, the DA couldn't do it without FSC ( or any station that would bring the game into our homes pretty much any time we want it. )
     
  11. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree. It was Champions League on ESPN2. :D As a teenager I remember watching my first ever Milan game on TV after returning home on a trip from Italy. I had no clue that professional soccer existed outside of national teams, and I was playing club soccer!

    I'll never forget skipping school to watch the Milan-Juventus final with my one friend on our high school soccer team who knew what the Champions League was.
     
  12. FCNYC

    FCNYC Member

    Jul 30, 2000
    NYC
    I think it is because there is more competition in World football/soccer than there is in NFL (NFL is the obvious one), we are only competing with ourselves in NFL, so if we waited until kids were 17 years old to play their first game of football it would not affect that number of American on an NFL roster, because we are only completing with ourselves.
    This applies to MLB and NBA to a lesser degree.
    Think about it, if the whole world played NFL and all Euro countries recruited kids at 8 or 9 or 10 years old to serious pro clubs training. their players would be better and the NFL would be almost all foreign as long as it was the best paying league in the work
     
  13. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NFL is a different sport. American football is a sport that is based mostly on pure athleticism. Soccer is a sport that relies heavily on a skill. Those two things are developed very differently, but your point about competing only with ourselves is correct.
     
  14. FCNYC

    FCNYC Member

    Jul 30, 2000
    NYC
    I have been following the sport since 1994 WC and we have been getting better and better, MLS big reason and I believe we will get their eventually but not sure what year, it depends on how serious MLS takes youth training and development.
    When MLS teams are allowed to sell their players and keep all the money and start selling and buying to each other and competing vs SA clubs in competition that means real money. Youth will be a huge part of the business, it is moving that way little by little, like i said eventually we will be there, but MLS will be the engine that gets us there.
     

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