An Olive Branch directed at Tampa

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  1. AdamSoucie

    AdamSoucie New Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This question is a LONG time coming, and is likely to induce trolling from our friends to the Southwest, but it needs to be asked...

    Why do Tampa and Orlando fans hate each other so much? Two years ago, several Orlando-based fans were active in the Rowdies forums and supporting FCTB. Had I not be busy working in Arena Football last year, I would have gone to several matches.

    Hating the team as a whole I get. That's what rivalries are all about. I even understand making fun of the Austin to Orlando situation. I don't agree with it, but I at least understand it. Still, the way Ralph's Mob has been singling out individual fans and staff is absurd. In the end, we're all trying to grow the game in the US. There's no reason to hate each other. You don't see those kinds of personal attacks coming out of MLS supporters groups.

    I've taken my fair share of abuse from Ralph's Mob. In response, I've fired back in the past. I was wrong.

    I'd love to attend one of their games this year and extend an olive branch, but I'm honestly afraid I'd be attacked and that's something I'd rather not deal with. If I'm wrong, I hope some of the more sensible and polite RM members (SpeedCake, I'm looking at you) are willing to take me up on my offer for peace between the individuals. I'll even go as far as buying a scarf if that's what it takes for them to see I'm not the monster they try to make me out to be.

    At the end of the day, I want the Rowdies to succeed. It is better for the sport. That's why I'm not ridiculing them for losing 2-1 to US U17s today. Those kids are very good, and most if not all will end up playing pro somewhere.

    Best of luck this season, Rowdies & Ralph's Mob. Hopefully, I'll get to attend a few matches this season.
     
  2. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would've thought more people would've taken this to heart when myself and Smoke & Mirrors cleared the air between each other a while back. The supporters should not be attacking each other. On the pitch we can be rivals, but off the pitch we need to show solidarity with one another. Acting like trolls reflects poorly on all of us and the sport we love.
     
  3. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually I don't give a $hit about Orlando and your team, it's all the MLS talk that I find quite humorous, you talk the talk and you walk the walk when we see your actual attendance for games, in other words Orlando = Miami FC for me at least, and I'm talking about all the MLS coming to our city bull$hit.
     
  4. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You don't care about the team, but their "BS" gets you this upset?

    One problem (if not the largest) that makes the supporters naturally inclined to dislike the other rival clubs in FLA and the southeast US in general is the MLS aspirations.
     
  5. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you say so. I'd disagree as we can find plenty of reasons to trash talk and build a rivalry with you guys other than the lol MLS talk, but if you wanna go with that then it's cool. Whatever floats your boat.
     
  6. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Talk trash and build a rivalry with a team that is in a different league and you don't have a single scheduled game against? Yeah, I'm totally off base, clearly the only possible explanation is our clubs' long histories of playing close and meaningful matches.
     
  7. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You aren't very good at this. So what we aren't in the same league (yet)? You guys are an hour away and hopefully we'll play each other at some point soon.

    Looks alot like you want the MLS silliness to be the reason. Sure, it adds fuel to the fire but there are so many other reasons why we along with many others despise Orlando City. Puffing out your chests over the distant prospect of maybe playing in MLS just makes it easier to target you.
     
  8. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "So many other reasons"? Like what? "Proximity" to a team you don't play games against?

    The "MLS silliness" and the perpetual NASL v. USL talk are the only reasons that make any sense, anything else is nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
     
  9. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    I would say that olive branch was quickly stepped on, broken in half, and used for kindling. :)
     
  10. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have to say I like the idea of having such a heated rivalry already with a couple team's we haven't even played a game against; should make things interesting in the future.
     
  11. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, considering your supporter groups don't travel for games that are on weekends and that are an hour away you might be on to something. Maybe your lot isn't worth our time after all?

    Again, keep puffing out that chest and pretending like everyone hates on OC$C because of the MLS talk alone.

    If I have to actually make you a list of the reasons we enjoy screwing around with your "supporters" and your team then you wouldn't understand anyway. So I'll just repeat myself, you aren't very good at this. Run along now.
     
  12. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where you were the one trolling these boards and starting stuff like always. Who should be running along, again?

    You are insufferable and either in denial or need to work on your reading comprehension. Keep paying attention and ragging on Orlando and proving me right. Sucks to have more competition in the state and region looking to move up to MLS doesn't it?
     
  13. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    bwaaahahahaha! You're a trip. Proving you right in what way? In denial of what? Do tell.

    Honestly I think the fact that you'd wish we'd stop ragging on Orlando is so much more telling. What's your issue? Squeemish? You part of the "supporters" who send secret emails cause you are paranoid the Mob will crash your parties?

    Besides, even if you were right and the MLS talk is the only reason the entirety of lower division soccer despises Orlando that just means that without it you guys really, really wouldn't be worth anyone's time.

    But you are worth our time. You should feel special! And pretty!
     
  14. spsocsc

    spsocsc New Member

    Feb 28, 2011
    I am genuinely curious about this statement, can you provide sources of information that can back up this statement? Does the "entirety of lower division soccer" really despise Orlando or is that an exaggeration?? Seems a bit drastic to say if it is indeed an exaggeration.

    As for the rest of the debate over this "rivalry", I enjoy watching football and Orlando City and don't really care about the whole pseudo-rivalry that is trying to be forced between the teams. I'll take note and acknowledge the rivalry (happily because a good rivalry is always fun) when the two teams actually play but until then I am going to enjoy watching the beautiful sport in my city and that's about it. The biggest problem I see with the Tampa supporters and even some Orlando supporters is they are trying to rush the development of the rivalry and it makes no sense. Sorry, but rivalries without any prospect of playing each other is silly to me. Eh, just my two cents.
     
  15. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cool, no problem. Then we don't have a rivalry. However, we will still continue to bash on OCSC as often as possible solely for funsies.

    Either way, fine with us.
     
  16. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I couldn't care less how you spend your time, if trolling Orlando City message boards gives you some kind of pleasure that's fine. The MLS talk by supporters, clubs, and outsiders is the only reason Orlando, Tampa and Miami share to dislike one another. You should focus more energy on Miami since you're at least in the same league as them.
     
  17. AdamSoucie

    AdamSoucie New Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really. The intent of it was to prevent the deeply personal attacks on some of our staff and supporters, myself included. That's all I was ever hoping to do. Speedcake and I spoke, and came to an understanding.

    What's often lost in these rivalries is that outside of the situation, the two people going back and forth might actually like each other if you removed the rivalry from the equation. We don't hate on each other for supporting the US national team, to do we?

    The two fan groups aren't going to get along. That's just the way it works in a rivalry. All I was asking for was a bit more civility, and that's happened. Thanks to SpeedCake and the rest of Ralph's Mob for toning it down some to make this more about soccer and less about hatred.
     
  18. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welp, we showed up to troll you guys in person but were severely disappointed by the turnout. So where else should we do it? :(

    Also, wrong again. For starters, the circumstances surrounding the ninja'ing of the Aztex gives us, and many others around the country, plenty of fodder for our trash talking. Among other things.

    Plus, when you doofs got a team all anyone could talk about was "oh boy! War on I-4! Cool man, two teams very close to each other, the rivalry will be fun!" Fans in both cities were excited about a close rival and FYI we do not need to play in the same division to be rivals. What kind of stupid shit is that?

    But now you want us to leave you alone and poke more sticks at Miami...I mean, the Strikers? Lamest.Fans.Ever.
     
  19. spsocsc

    spsocsc New Member

    Feb 28, 2011
    I agree that the rivalry would be fun and that teams in different divisions can be rivals, HOWEVER, if rival teams never play each other then the rivalry can't possibly survive since there will be no fuel for the fire (if that makes sense). The only thing that can be done to fuel the rivalry otherwise is to resort to attacking the fans or club officials directly, which rather then make the rivalry fun just leads to a bunch of people that hate each other and could possibly (in an extreme situation) lead to very unsportsmanlike conduct between the two groups. As a fan of Tampa, Speedcake, you should consider doing what some of us Orlando supporters have been doing and whenever we can we ask that a game be set up between Orlando and Tampa. It's going to obviously take some pressure on your side to make that happen since the Rowdies keep refusing Orlando's request to play a game. Maybe a bit of pressure from their fans will change the Rowdies' mind, then we can have a legitimate kick ass rivalry.
     
  20. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've made it clear enough that we want to play Orlando. FCTB has it's reasons for not playing along and setting a game up.

    It sucks we aren't eligible for the USOC this year as there would have been a really good chance we'd have meet each other. Maybe next year.

    We'll keep the rivalry fires stoked for when the time comes, thanks.
     
  21. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    First, I have no idea what supporter event stuff you are talking about. Living 11 hours away (until next week) as my location says limits my interaction with supporters groups and whatever events you keep referring to. Nor do I really care since its hardly related to what we're talking about.

    Second, yeah I know, Phil Rawlins burned the city of Austin, Texas to the ground and pissed on the ashes. Good news for me is Orlando has a soccer team now, so I really don't care.

    Third, people were excited to see matches played knowing that a rivalry would naturally exist. Not as much to argue online with random people from Tampa. Two sports teams don't need to play each other to be rivals? Really? Well then I decide right now that the Orlando Magic and Tampa Bay Rays are heated rivals as well, they have never played one another and there are no plans to play each other at this time, but man what a rivalry they have. Never before have I seen such animosity.

    Forth, I'm not telling you to leave Orlando City alone. Arguing like this is fun. What I said is "You should focus more energy on Miami since you're at least in the same league as them" which is completely true.

    Please answer this simple question: Do you agree that in the Southeast and Florida there is a sense of competition between existing clubs (especially their fans) to advance to MLS especially knowing that more than likely not all of them will be able to do so?
     
  22. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    rofl. Gives me so much joy knowing I elicited such a lengthy response to my trolling. Maybe when you actually move to Orlando and can take part in supporter activities you can also teach them how to actually be a supporter club?

    Judging by the content of your posts, I doubt it. But maybe I'm wrong, just like you are about pretty much everything you've ever posted here. So there is hope!
     
  23. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for answering my question. Shows what a joke you are and that you know you're full of it.
     
  24. spsocsc

    spsocsc New Member

    Feb 28, 2011
    You never answered my question, either, regarding the "entirety of lower division soccer" despising Orlando City. I was genuinely curious if you could back up that statement with some sources or if you were just taking another shot at Orlando City. Can you Speedcake?
     
  25. Quick25

    Quick25 Member

    Nov 9, 2010
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "entirety of lower division soccer" = the handful of Austin fans who are still really pissed about them leaving and a handful of obsessed Tampa/Miami fans who happen to post here. ;)
     

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