The boys can't finish...that's been the mantra for a few decades it seems. But now it's come to fruition in today's draw against Maldives. So now what ? Since no one on the team has that killer instinct to put away minnows such as the Maldives, Oman, vetnam, Malaysia, China, etc...I hereby lay the first salvo across the bow. Fire Humberto Cohleo. He seems too easy going and not strict enough. In my opinion he doesn't seem to have the team's attention or respect. I still bristle at the fact that the KFA let Bruno Metsu go during interviews, so now the KFA has a choice...either get a coach that will actually produce results excepted or wait it out until this Portugese sausage does something really stupid like not make it through the 2006 WC qualifications. I don't care if a potential new coach is domestic or foreign, just do it already and can this loser ! Can't wait to hear the responses...
This was horrible... what happened to the players that were playing in the 2002 world cup? because these players can't possibly be the same people. You can just tell on and off the field that players' mentality has something to be desired and nothing like it used to be. Ahn JH has probably lost the most. He was PATHETIC in this match, just walking around the field and not even trying hard enough (compare that to his performance against Italy). His trademark dribbling with flare was nowhere to be seen and the hard-low shot he was so good at doing has turned into Yoo SC-style home run balls. Lee Eul Yong, also did nothing in the match... he takes way too much time to think when he has the posession of the ball, usually just opting to pass it back to the closest teammate. He needs to play on the sides instead of at the DMF position where I honestly think, he sucks. Our Dutch based players, Lee YP and Song CG, were the only ones who was seemingly trying for full 90 minutes in this match. Even Seol KH was disappointing. My biggest disappointment was all the players after the game, blaming the refs about how horrible the call was. There is just no excuse for tying them, as even if the refs were totally one-sided Korea should have won by like 4-0 anyway (and they should remember how many favourable calls we got in the World Cup, especially in the Spain game). The players' mentality has gone through a total 360 degrees turn since the world cup 2002. And who's responsibility is it to manage and fix players' mentality? That's right... the COACH. If Hiddink coached this game and saw Ahn play the way he did, he would have left him off the NT again and never bring him back. Coelho is just too passive going and not charismatic enough to fit in with the Korean style team. I've had enough patience with him up to now, but his inability to lead the team against the weaker sides is now frankly pissing me off too much. One more result like this, he's gonna need to go. I agree that Metsu would be a good fit with the team, as well as Senol Gunes, who I heard was just recently released by Turkey NT. One can't possibly rule out Hiddink coming back, either.
Can we really wait for another one like this? Why not do something now (or very soon)? It's one thing that Hiddink came heavy criticism for 5-0 defeat to France. This is in totally different class. Oman, Vietnam, Maldives. I don't think we (or any of the big footballing powers in Asia) ever had this kind of run under a same coach.
Fire Coelho. We can tie with the Maldives with a Korean coach on the cheap. This is ridiculous. We can't pay this guy millions to get results that a Korean coach can. Cha was fired for losing to Holland and Mexico. Huh Jung-moo was fired for losing to Spain. Hiddink got crap for losing to France and the Czech Republic. Even Park Hang-seo got fired for not beating Iran or North Korea. We let this guy lose to Oman, vietnam, and not beat Maldives????
yeah he needs to go. When it comes to a football coach, u got to have a strict coach that can make the players work. But it's easier said than done, it's not going to easy to find a coach that can actually make a difference. We need GUS HIDDINK BACK!!
As much as I would like to get Guus back in the fold, I doubt that he would ever come back to coach. He got more than expected done in 2002, so why potentially tarnish his legacy by coming back and not getting the job done ? guus will sit back and work in his advisory role, but I don't see him coming back to lead Korea. It's a shame, but I can't blame the guy if he refuses to come back to coach. I think Pim Verbeek would be a great choice to lead Korea to the WC 2006. He's young, charmismatic, the players like him (that's my observation), he's dealt with the half @$$ Korean media before, plus he's an up and coming coach who can be a great alternative to old lazy @$$ fogies like Cohelo. I'm sure he's not a bad coach either. If anyone wants to write his own legacy for himself and Korea in 2006, he would be the one to do so. Comments ?
I agree with Taeguk Warrior that Guus Hiddink is almost 100% unlikely to take up the reigns for 2006. And I wouldn't blame him at all if he refused. Usually, second spells end disastrously (exception: Rinus Michels with Holland; in 1974 he guided them to runner up in the World Cup only to win the European Championship in 1988 in the same stadium where he lost it in 1974). But second spells are predicated on a sense of hope that the past can be repeated. I never supported the hiring of Coehlo from the outset. It seemed to be more of an appeasing move by the KFA in light that we lost Hiddink's services and an immediate Korean replacement would have been accepted as going from a BMW back to a Hyundai. He doesn't seem to have the motivation nor the understanding as Hiddink did. Players initially hated Hiddink's guts, but at least he got 110% out of his players physically. Tactically, Coehlo looks lost and his confidence is taking a battering. Candidates? That Pim Verbeek sounds like it could happen, but does the man have first team coaching experience? Remember Byshovets and his familiarity with the national team players as a physical trainer didn't translate into management success as coach. The resume of the national team could draw some highly qualified coaches to this side of the world, but if Coehlo scuttles us any further, you have to wonder who will want to take on this responsibility. One of Hiddink's close associates who is currently a coach at NEC in Holland, Neeskens, could be a realistic target (depending on how NEC finish in the league). Purely speculation though. Another possibility might be to look domestically. I know there are people on this forum with antagonizing views of our Olympic coach, but at least that's one level where our team seems to be winning (Kim Ho Gun). But so spoiled are we with the taste of victory under a foreign coach, it seems unlikely that the KFA would go domestic. Here's a list of currently out-of-work coaches. How realistic would it be to acquire their services? 1. Claudio Ranieri (if Chelsea fire him as is speculated) 2. Hector Cuper (if Inter decide NOT to re-hire him) 3. Vicente Del Bosque (former Real Madrid boss) 4. Fatih Terim (resigned from Galatasaray) 5. Senol Gunes (resigned as Turkey's manager) 6. Fabio Capello (who said he's done with "calcio" at end of the season) 7. Bryan Robson (former Middlesbrough man who almost went to Nigeria) 8. Ottmar Hitzfeld (if Bayern fire him for a disastrous season) Thoughts.
Senol Gunes sounds intriguing. Given the love affair the Turks enjoy lately in Korea, I think his hiring might be a good PR move, but also I think he has the intensity to motivate the players. Byron Robson might be too much of a desperate move on the part of the KFA, being that he's a somewhat big name in world football. Whoever they MIGHT hire, that person needs to clean house.
Please keep the discussion to the topic. Taeguk Warrior and Shenhua- please calm down. Why don't you guys settle the matter each other through PM? Please don't take it here in this forum. Sorry others for binning your posts as well as they are all related.
Coelho MUST be fired. As for a replacement, I think Gunes or Terim are good choices but not Hector Cuper. Hector Cuper is the guy who plays with 10 defenders. I don't want him making Korean football the world's must ugliest football. Vicente Del Bosque seems an interesting idea but he only knew Real Madrid. That can be a problem... he grew up with Real Madrid, played for Real Madrid and coached and then managed Real Madrid. He may not adjust to a new team properly. Ranieri? I don't think he's going to be fired... if he is (geez I mean what does this guy have to do to keep his job? LOL) then SURE! This guy is a good manager!
Oh God! Surely no country is desperate enough to give Portaloo a job? Check out his record at Aberdeen to see how good he is.
other than Sir Alex Ferguson, tell me the others who actually made Aberdeen winners...? It ain't easy to make any Scottish FC not named Rangers and Celtic winners...
coelho doesnt have the leadership that hiddink did. remember hiddink ruthlessly cut players from the team when they make an easy mistake or when they dont work hard enough. (Ahn, Ko, Seol, Kim Byung-Ji). i've never seen this happen with Coelho. he plays the same guys over and over whether they do good or not.
for the general improvement of korean soccer, 1. we must not advance from the preliminaries for the olympic games. 2. same goes for the Asian Cup 3. not qualify for the world cup. - this will either: 1. make baseball the true undisputed sport of Korea or 2. create a giant social movement to embed a correct soccer enviornment on the peninsula. Clubs will have to do their jobs properly and Koreans will once again go to K-grounds out of pure sympathy.
Dave Halliday - 1946-47 Scottish Cup 1954-55 Championship Dave Shaw 1955-56 League Cup Eddie Turnbull 1969-70 Scottish Cup Ally McLeod 1976-77 League Cup Alex Smith/Jocky Scott 1989-90 League Cup 1989-90 Scottish Cup Roy Aitken 1995-96 League Cup Well, you did ask. ---------------------------------------------------- Ian Porterfield inherited an Aberdeen team that had the previous season reached the Quarter-finals of the European Cup, and gone out on away goals to IFK Gothenburg, as well as winning a domestic cup doublw. It was a pretty much unchanged nucleus of young players that had won back-to-back titles in 1983-84 and 1984-85, and finished fourth in 1985-86 only six points behind champions Celtic. This was a Scottish league too that had at the time not yet been severely unbalanced by David Murray's millions, so two distant fourth place finishes and a cup final defeat were scant return and probably the minimum you'd expect with such a squad. Porterfield too was severely lacking in transfer nous - during his time at the club we lost Billy Stark, Joe Miller, Peter Weir & Jim Leighton, and these were replaced by English lower-division journeymen Keith Hackett, Keith Edwards and Tom Jones (Porterfield's current Busan assistant). The appointment of Porterfield set Aberdeen and Scottish football as a whole back drastically. Even at Chelsea he followed the same pattern - inherited a side strong enough to get promotion from Division 2 and made a decent impact on Division 1 before falling away (league positions after being promoted: 5, 11, 14, 11). Then he went off 'globetrotting' with Zambia, Zimbabwe, Oman and Trinidad & Tobago (punctuated with one year as Bolton assistant manager when they finished rock bottom of the Premiership in 1995-96) before arriving at Busan I'cons. Not the man to manage Korea if they hope to even come close to emulating anything achieved in 2002.
Beh Holyjoe, your a Aberdeen fan that hates Porterfield...you one depressed Aberdeen fan, aren't you? Fine, then no Porterfield. Give Cha Bum Kuen another shot? I mean 98 was humilating but who knows....
I would imagine Cha will be sticking with Suwon Samsung Bluewings for the forseeable future, I think club management will be more his forte (hopefully, for the Bluewings' sake!) There aren't too many Korean coaches around who have a track record good enough to suggest they could do anything special with the national team. Kim Ho-Gun might be in with a shout if he could do something spectacular with the Olympic team this summer (assuming they qualify), but they've been less than impressive so far. Cha Kyong-Bok, Seongnam manager, is the most decorated coach in the K-league in terms of trophy success but he's 67 years old. I wouldn't expect he'd take another job if and when he leaves Seongnam. Kim Ho, successful former Suwon boss, might have been a candidate but he coached the national team in 1994 and anyway seems to be concentrating on media work now. Jo Kwang-Rae was reasonably successful as Anyang manager but I doubt he'd leave the new FC Seoul venture. Other than that there aren't too many current Korean coaches who have shown too much promise, so I think it's inevitable they'd go with a foreigner. Someone mentioned the ex-Turkey coach Senol Gunes as a possible replacement for Coehlo, and I think that one seems plausible if a change were to happen.
I for one admire what Senol Gunes did with the Turkish national team, but many of my Turkish friends and colleagues had their criticism of his tactics. During the 2002 World Cup, he played a lone striker with Hakan Sukur up front when he had players like Nihat Kahveci and Ilhan Mansiz at his disposal. It was speculated that had the tactical changes been made in that first game against Brasil, then Turkey might have had a better chance of beating Brasil...instead, Turkey were often limited to a single goal (except against China and then against us in the Third Place match). His resume is impressive considering what he did with the team. But in all honesty, I believe that Turkish footballers are better technically than Korean players so Gunes had that luxury of having more talented players. Imagine if he played only Kim Dae-Eui or even just Seol Ki-Hyeon up top without striking support? I'm somewhat ambivalent about the appointment of Gunes (if it actually ever comes to fruition).
Almo I'm not disagreeing with you but Guus Hiddink worked with top class players in Europe. People were skeptical if he could coach 2nd tier players in the first place.