Chelsea v Liverpool - EPL - Feb 6 [R]

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by el-capitano, Feb 2, 2011.

  1. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing more to add really, except to lay off Maxi. Its fairly obvious he isn't the long term solution, but he always puts a shift in, doesn't complain and has earned us valuable points this year (at Bolton). Do we really have to go down the "he isn't good enough and should never play again" road every time someone makes a couple mistakes?
     
  2. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I know he's a marquee signing and all that, but CFC TV has been on his case all week long, one interview after another doubtlessly egged on by his PR agency but one thing I remember about his days on Merseyside, for which he was reportedly grateful, was how Liverpool (fans and club) largely left him and his wife alone to have a private life. No luck there, it seems, bucko. Can't complain of fleas.
     
  3. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2 things - I think were touched upon earlier:

    1. Gerrard - the run on the cross was nice (as was the run on the maxi miss) - but he still seems to be a bit "off" - haven't seen a long range pile driver from him in many moons.

    2. Carra - his organization does indeed make a difference. Skrt looked very composed today. Agger - well he was a stud regardless. The forearm shiver really took Torres out of his game.
     
  4. Frosty

    Frosty Member

    May 29, 2008
    Maxi always offers an option for a pass, as a team player he is one of the better players in the squad, but Charlie Adam instead would be an exciting prospect in that 5-3-1-1.
     
  5. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Two tactical assessments of the match. Interesting reading for those who appreciate the importance of tactical formations in influencing results.

    They both explain how a wing-back system (ie 3 CB and 2 wing-backs) is designed to counter formations that field 2 strikers. While 3 at the back is not so common in England these days, the national teams of Egypt and Algeria utilize 3 at the back to some success.

    http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/02/che...ign=Feed:+TheTomkinsTimes+(The+Tomkins+Times)

    http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/02/06/chelsea-0-1-liverpool-tactics/
     
  6. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It also allows you provide width when you don't have genuine wide men but can also be negative when the the full/wing backs sit too deep. As we saw after we had scored.
     
  7. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I liked the graphic that showed Lucas had 45 passes in the game, 40 of them were successful. That seems astonishing to me in such a packed midfield area.

    Thanks for posting the two links revx
     
  8. Kawklee

    Kawklee BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 30, 2008
    Miami
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The more I watch Maxi's miss the more I view it as unforgivable. Maybe not to some extreme extent of hate, but just the sheer complacency in which he handled the situation. For no apparent reason he's turning away from goal as he hits the ball. His run did not take him away from goal. The path of the ball was not going away from goal. He thought that it was a done-deal and began celebrating too soon. We can forgive him for appreciating his moment to shine, but we've all seen it plenty of times in American football where people think the touchdown is a done deal... only to have it go terribly astray. There was no reason he couldn't put his body over the ball and place it back in there except for his own avarice.
     
  9. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

    Jan 2, 2004
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Where's my rep for posting it before Tomkins?

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22746805&postcount=98

     
  10. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
  11. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

    Jan 2, 2004
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, Tomkins, ZM, and I all stole those "tactical rules" from Inverting the Pyramid by Jonathan Wilson - which was a very good book for tactics geeks.
     
  12. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    He's a good journo.
     
  13. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

    Jan 2, 2004
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's almost a shame that he loves Sunderland and Eastern European football so much, because if he covered the more popular/mainstream clubs more often, he'd probably get a lot more credit.
     
  14. Bobinhood

    Bobinhood Member

    Apr 22, 2005
    Toronto
    Well I'm not as up on tactics as you guys but i think its brilliant. It gets all 3 backs on the pitch plus Kelly and the born-again Johnson. Against bus-parkers at home, you can attack. Against oil money away, you can defend.


    and the King- " Innovative? I'm just doing what works for my players." Its just natural to the guy. He looks, he sees, he acts, it works, it's simple.

    Just becouse none of the tens of millions of other observers saw that "obvious" solution straight off doesnt mean it wasnt obvious. :D
     
  15. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

    Jan 2, 2004
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People aren't shocked by the formation working correctly. A lot of people knew that a "3-5-2" variant would work with our players. Hell, even Grinners guessed at last week.

    The big difference is that Kenny had the confidence and relaxed nature to pull it off. He, no doubt, made simple assignments for the players and put them in a position to be successful. More importantly, they were convinced it would work.
     
  16. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    for the love of god - he even makes POULSEN look competent!!!
     
  17. canadianscraggledog

    canadianscraggledog New Member

    Jun 26, 2005
    London, Canada
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    What a great feeling today, eh!

    And we did it without our 2 new signings to boot.

    Onward and upward, everything has been analyzed and nothing to add.

    YNWA
     
  18. Kawklee

    Kawklee BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 30, 2008
    Miami
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3-5-2 vs 4-1-2-1-2

    The EPL is going all eye-tye!
     
  19. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A miracle worker, isn't he?
     
  20. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i've been forbidden to give anyone rep with a number in their moniker.

    i tried to give propeller74 rep.

    nyet!

    i tried to give liverbird rep ( liver's a number, isn't it? )

    "sorry, cheese man", say them Fascists.

    this is what i live with...every stinking day!
     
  21. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Member+

    May 22, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    After the comedy defending of Babb, Razor and Scales I dont think any Liverpool fan wanted to see 3-5-2 again. Its been a pleasant surprise to see how well we've adapted to it in these games.
     
  22. liverbird

    liverbird BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 29, 2000
    Mars
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. Bobinhood

    Bobinhood Member

    Apr 22, 2005
    Toronto
    Yeah, i do remember Rafa musing about using wingbacks for width and Johnson being bought for the purpose, and lots of talk of it here and there, but he never actually went ahead and did it that i recall.

    Kenney just steps right up. "here, do this". Players belief grows visibly with every kick.

    Its great. :)

    oh and a shout out to glen johnson he made that sliding covering hustling back tackle on the sidelines. he went in hard and won the ball. He's utterly reborn.
     
  24. Bobinhood

    Bobinhood Member

    Apr 22, 2005
    Toronto
    Nice!

    Some cricket fan from accounting that deals with the printers had it all done up nice and proper like?

    Epic Fail.
     
  25. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    During the summer, you'll be able to get a Torres shirt (Chelsea version) for £22 at the Metro Local in West Kensington.
     

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