25/1/2011 Asian Cup -SF- Japan x Korea

Discussion in 'AFC: Tournaments' started by Luislb10, Jan 22, 2011.

  1. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    Uchida was out for one match, he'll be back.
    Yoshida is fine but automatically suspended. Iwamasa will take his place. He has more experience, may be better, but Yoshida is a guy everybody put a lot of hopes in since he's strong, young and quite skillfull for a defender. He didn't have an "horrible tournament" but made some crucial mistakes. We shoudnt go too hard on him since he had a one year lay off resulting from a succession of big injuries.
     
  2. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Yes, yes we all know that even U-20 Korean team would get past Japan easily getting 5-0.
    And now lets be serious. We've got two sides which could create a great spectacle that will get echoes all around the world. I'd rather want to see that in final but watching two strongest (I think) sides in Asia playing for the trophy should be a great game. I would rate both teams equal but Korean side has one big advantage - solid defence. But as they couldn't beat a little shaky Australian defensive block I'm a little (only a little) more calm about that. But if Japanese will screw things like they did in previous games and loose a goal in unreasonable situation with 0:0 on the scoreboard I doubt they'll manage to come back as they did earlier in this tournament. Simply Korean side is too good to let that kind of accidents slip off their hands. I only hope that this thing won't be destroyed by ref and it will become best advertistment of Asian football for few coming years. So let the better win!
    Daiki Iwamasa.
    First one - cards. Second - Yoshida got a red card in last game (totally undeserved). One should watch both teams before talking who's better and who's worse.
     
  3. melonbarmonster

    melonbarmonster Member+

    Mar 17, 2005
    Do you even know what Saku and I were talking about regarding that last friendly? Please don't muddle the discussion with childish, defensive hyperbole BS.

    The Korea team just went through a massive overhaul and the current KNT at this tournament bares very little resemblance to the team from the last Korea v Japan friendly that Saku was mentioning. That match was the KNT after a dismantling of Huh's WC squad in personnel, tactics and even basic style. Try to understand things in context.

     
  4. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Yes I know that You were talking about last draw in Seoul, and I even watched it You know? Another thing - You maybe mistaken me for someone else because I'm not from Japan, not even from Asia and all I care about is watching entertaining games [cut]. Maybe I should come with more offensive 'BS' but unfortunately I probably won't.
     
  5. melonbarmonster

    melonbarmonster Member+

    Mar 17, 2005
    Point out again for me when I accuse you of "being from Japan".

    This my friend is what hyperbole BS looks like: "Yes, yes we all know that even U-20 Korean team would get past Japan easily getting 5-0."

    And let's keep things about football and explain to me again what you find objectionable about my explanation about the difference between the current KNT and the post WC KNT from the last SK v Jpn friendly. And yes please refrain from muddling the discussion with further hyperbole BS.

     
  6. 12th Player

    12th Player Member+

    Nov 3, 2009
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    Whatever happened to Morimoto? Why isn't he even on the JNT squad?
     
  7. SkyPiercer

    SkyPiercer Member

    Jan 24, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Algeria
    I am confident about next game, what happened in recent friendlies is irrelevant, Tuesday's game will be different for sure. Japan is better on paper than S. Korea by a fair amount but at the end, the result of the game will depend on form and consistency.

    We have been through a lot already and the players are in high spirits. Our team showed its mental strength in this tournament more than once. Iwamasa is solid as a rock and he has a keen eye for goal during set pieces, with his return, the defensive problems are a thing of the past.

    Japan 2 - Korea 0.



    Injured, even had a surgery.

     
  8. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The history of this head to head has more to do with the eventual outcome on the 25th rather than how fresh youre feeling or who you beat 2 games ago.

    The intimidation begins now and gets better in the tunnel.
     
  9. Sons of Thunder

    Sons of Thunder Member+

    Jun 27, 2009
    NY State of Mind
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Is that so?

    In any event I hope Japan continues their recent trend of giving away early leads. We promise to squash any valiant comeback attempts you may throw at us. ;)

    However I can imagine that we will also continue our own recent trend of dominating possession and chances but not getting any goals. That will be what gives you a chance.
     
  10. OrlandoEngelaar

    Jul 19, 2008
    CA
    I'd also have to say Japan has an slight edge in terms of pure talent but i'm not denying Korea has talent as well and they can still outplay Japan. I've read discussions in the JNT forums on how Kagawa-Honda do not play well together and that could probably render Japan's talent advantage meaningless.
     
  11. Sons of Thunder

    Sons of Thunder Member+

    Jun 27, 2009
    NY State of Mind
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I can concede that Japan's team is better on paper (it's your own opinion) but to say by a fair amount? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous and I will point it out as such.

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    Piercer, perhaps you should show a little more respect considering we embarrassed you in front of your home crowd in what was supposed to be your sending away game for the World Cup. We sure as hell will be taking Japan seriously.
     
  12. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Japans a strange one to me. U get these yahoos who think Japan has an edge and that japanese players are better than Koreans by a fair mount and yet japan has very little to show for this judgement call. Except for possibly an inflated. FIFA ranking. Iv heard of Japanese players but that's probably where it ends for me. Someone please explain " fair amount in talent." Im intrigued.
     
  13. OrlandoEngelaar

    Jul 19, 2008
    CA
    Whoa stay classy man i fully acknowledge Korea has a higher possibility of winning the game given Japan's tournament form but on my earlier post, i said "slight edge" in talent meaning both sides have similar quantity of difference makers but Japan's best players Kagawa, Honda(the only Asian in Four Four two magazine's top 100 players in the world google it), Endo, are better than Korea's best players LCY,Park,Ki, as individuals,the rest of the lineup is 50/50 though Korea has more role players like Koo,LYP, and Cha. So Korea's stars are better complimented by their team, they can still outplay Japan.

    EDIT: Also Japan's stars do not click as well as Korea's and their success at the WC was mainly due to their defense not their star players.
     
  14. olimpialv

    olimpialv Member

    Jun 13, 2010
    las vegas, nv
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    that's true. our toughest rival is Iran and I agree with your reasons. Also record history shows we are like 50-50 now. Like SouthAmerican clasico Brasil-Argentina. Their history shows 50-50 too. Just showing how tough is playing Iran.
    Not the same against Japan, we are 40W-12L or something so far, and from 2005 with Park JiSung, I think we never lost against them..
    But after last WC, team Japan is a lot different. So, this match will be the best ever probably with both teams showing the best performances in history.
    Now, I am not sure about the title, i think australia is lucky this tournament. Seems they will be the final winner...
     
  15. Premiere

    Premiere Member

    May 23, 2005
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    Seriously though, I do think Korea has the edge, mostly because Korea is the type of the team Japan has much trouble with. The obvious weakness of Korea is that they tend to devote everything to the first half.
     
  16. Corea10

    Corea10 Member

    Jun 17, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Personally, I have watched all of Korea's matches and In my honest opinion, I think that we look good, probably the best since I have been following the national team (2006 onwards).

    For Japan, I did watch their matches but I don't think I was paying attention to the actual game that much. More for entertainment value.

    Overall, like it has been said before, this match is definately anyone's game. I just hope our boys aren't too tired. Hopefully our finishing will be good, our defence will be solid, and we link up great.

    Prediction: realistically, 2-1 either way, although I go for Korea. Also, I'm pretty sure that it will go in ET.
     
  17. lombriz_cabron

    lombriz_cabron New Member

    Jan 17, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    It's hard to tell. Korea will have more possession, but they have been having hard time to finish up in this tournament. On the other hand, Japan seems to have defence line problem.
     
  18. WuTang2002

    WuTang2002 Member

    Mar 13, 2002
    Bundang, Korea
    Korea is stronger on paper and on any reasonable person's mind. My only concern is losing Lee Jungsoo, our key CB, due to 2 yellow cards. I really don't like Kwak.
     
  19. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    what is this on paper bs? is that reference to statistics or history? if so definitely yes on our side.

    im wondering what the original japanese poster meant though that individual talent is exceeded in a "fair" amount 'on paper' by Japan.

    sounds like made up junk to me.
     
  20. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Probably everything that's contradicting Your point of view You'll see as utterly sh** ot junk. I'm always afraid of this kind of people. Maybe that's why You have 20+ pages of arguing who's better before Iran game and much less when talking about Japanese one.
     
  21. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Im pretty openminded when it comes down to it. But when someone says they have a
    "fair amount" of talent advantage over a team like yours, you'd think of maybe England or Ghana.

    Not Japan. You want to argue that go right ahead. Im listening rather eagerly.

    And btw, my history with the Iranians (Mani, pf, Val) is unlike any other Ill admit. I dont even know who you are though.
     
  22. Sons of Thunder

    Sons of Thunder Member+

    Jun 27, 2009
    NY State of Mind
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I'm not even sure what kind of argument from silence you're trying to make here. Make sense, please.
     
  23. tako

    tako Member

    Dec 11, 2003
    Yokohama
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Maybe, something like " if you are open-minded guy, just laguht and pass it". That will be just fun talk of bragging to pump up the thread before the game.

    Anyway what more unbearable for me than such kind of post is,
    In the past Japan was known in Asia for it's passing game, but in this tourney most praise of such goes to South Korea, even including "Korea plays like Barcelona or Spain"!. It is really unbearable for Japanese football fan like me :D
    I only watch Korea game in highlight, so I am looking forward to Japan-Korea game. I hope Korea play passing game against Japan.
     
  24. Mudang

    Mudang Member+

    Feb 16, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Man, it sucks there are no real Japanese fans around.

    I think tako is the only actual Japanese guy here.
     
  25. melonbarmonster

    melonbarmonster Member+

    Mar 17, 2005
    LOL :D Talk about projection!

    You're the only one in these boards mocking and lambasting opposing opinions without a shred of reasoned analysis or football facts. You've done this several times now.

    Seriously if you have an opinion or you disagree, then explain yourself with fact and reason instead of repeating this same old crap.

     

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