Roster 2011

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by ttujosh, Nov 27, 2010.

  1. dtid

    dtid Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I don't think anyone is saying not to take CCL or the Open Cup or Supporters Shield lightly, but I think most people see this as pretty much fact:

    Q - What is going to bring the most recognition the quickest and have the biggest impact on the fanbase in the shortest amount of time?

    A - MLS Cup.

    It really isn't more complicated than that.
     
  2. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Hahaha, are you serious? Beating teams like Pachuca, Toluca or Club America is MUCH more prestigious than beating teams like the rapids or galaxy.
     
  3. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    To a non-Dallas fan maybe...
     
  4. E Diddy

    E Diddy Member

    Jul 1, 2003
    Hutto, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Priorities of competitions according to E Diddy. My focus here is building the brand and overall excellence of the organization.

    #1 MLS Cup- every season this is our primary goal.
    #2 MLS Supporters' Shield - critical to the "culture of winning" that Schellas speaks of.
    #3 Development Academy/Youth system/Reserve league. Value of the future.
    #4 US Upen Cup - great test of depth and roster strength.
    #5 CONCACAF Champions Leage - elevating the club's regional stature.
    #6 International Friendlies with big clubs - elevating the club's international stature.

    My philosophy is that if we take care of the first 4 on the list, then success at the other two will come as a result.

    I would love for someone to show me the financial rewards for all 6 of these to the MLS club that wins them. Rep awaits the lucky poster.
     
  5. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Good post ED but I've got to take issue with one thing. Success in terms of results on the field isn't as important for reserve league/Dev academy. Of course you want to win, but it's more about individual player development.
     
  6. WarrenAbao

    WarrenAbao New Member

    Jul 7, 1999
    Grand Prairie, Tex.
    I want the cannon every year.
     
  7. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    So you're saying that Dallas fans would rather beat mediocre, unknown clubs than take on stronger, more prestigious sides? Wow. Very strange.
     
  8. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To most Dallas fans the non-US teams would be less known than MLS teams (and they aren't well known except to hard cores). The US is fairly America-centric hence names such as "World Series" and proclaiming world champion for the Super Bowl winner. It will be years before foreign competitions are more important to the "average" fan not just in Dallas/Forth Worth but all or most MLS* cities.

    *Canadian cities may be different
     
  9. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    [​IMG]
     
  10. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Mexican teams aren't that prestigious. Now if you are talking about the Clubs World Championship(whatever it is called), then you might have a point.
     
  11. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    Only in redneck central they don't. You guys are not doing much for the stereotype of a typical American soccer fan. Look in any soccer magazine and you will see the clubs you are dissing much more prominently displayed than their US counter parts. There are good reasons for that. Compare TV ratings in our own country for soccer. Bet you would be amazed at the demand for the clubs you are pooh-pooh ing.
     
  12. dtid

    dtid Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    As a team still trying to carve a niche for itself, yes.

    Beating a "mediocre, unknown [to the rest of the world, but not to those living in DFW]" club in the league CHAMPIONSHIP GAME THAT IS NATIONALLY TELEVISED ON A MAJOR CHANNEL will further that goal more than beating Pachuca or Cruz Azul or Toluca in front of 10,000 in Frisco that is only televised on FSC.

    Welcome to reality.

    Feel free to further the evidence of your snobbery by continuing to look down upon this attitude.
     
  13. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Moreso than the teams FCD plays in league play.

    The CCL Final is televised nationally on free over the air TV. Also on ESPN Latin America to all of Latin America, even South America.

    It's just strange that your goal is to "carve a niche" rather than to be world champs. You don't hear other fans say that, and if they did they'd get laughed at. Also, a world title quarterfinal berth would probably carve that niche better. But keep on with your point of view, to each his own.
     
  14. dtid

    dtid Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Most of the people in Dallas we need to get on board are fans of the game, but not FC Dallas and not so much MLS, although a lot of that is a perception of FC Dallas more than the league. I'm pretty sure that their opinion of MLS would improve if FC Dallas were a better team in the league. These are people who are fans of the US national team, ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal.

    And beating any Mexican team isn't going to move their particular needle.

    I agree with you - CCL would be a bigger actual accomplishment. And it SHOULD be perceived as such. But so should the US Open Cup...

    Win MLS Cup or beat one of the top six clubs in the world with at least a good representation of their starters in there somewhere. That is what is going to be most effective in changing the perception of the team for the good.
     
  15. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    How would FCD's league success make them think that the quality of play of the league has improved? One really has nothing to do with the other.
    I'd think that the fans of the game that you mentioned would know that Mexican teams are harder to beat.
    Your wording here makes it sound like you're saying USOC should be percieved bigger than league title. I know that's not what you meant. USOC should be percieved equal to a Conference title, since they both get you to CCL prelims.
    Club World Cup teams always play their best XI, the only exception being the Euro champ in its semifinal because they'll win it with a lesser squad anyway.
     
  16. fillmont

    fillmont Member

    May 20, 2010
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a relatively new fan of soccer, and a lifetime fan of American sports, MLS Cup does mean more to me than winning CCL.

    Edit: and here's the thing, I'm a fan of FC Dallas first and foremost - I don't have any foreign clubs I watch. I didn't become a soccer fan by watching any of the European teams and then decided to support my local team. No, I became a fan of soccer by actually going to the game, and seeing FC Dallas play against other teams in the league. For me, the most important thing is winning the MLS Cup.
     
  17. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC

    Theo, use some common sense here. Boca Jrs, River Plate, Barca, Real Madrid, Ac Milan, Ajax are prestigious.

    Good for the old soccer magazine. Which ones are you talking about because I will see if I can find any of them. I will be sure to ask Sky about the TV ratings. Which leagues do you want me to check, la Liga, Serie A, the german league, English Prem, or Scottish Prem?

    Last time I checked, there wasn't a demand.

    Right and remind me again why I should pay attention to those teams where watching paint dry is more entraining.
     
  18. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502732

    Not trying to be contentious. Just feel bad for all of you that miss out on the thrill of international competition. I know it is understandable, since we don't have a lot of experience with meaningful intl. competition. But, anyone who was in the stands for the FCD Chivas match a PHP can tell you how intense and entertaining the experience was.
     
  19. WarrenAbao

    WarrenAbao New Member

    Jul 7, 1999
    Grand Prairie, Tex.
    The diving and injury-faking in the CCL is of much higher quality.

    You 'Mericun-centrists are missing out.
     
  20. brunomarmos7

    brunomarmos7 Member

    Jan 12, 2009
    Sorocaba
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Dudes, I think we are taking it to the wrong direction.

    My first inquiry was about the number of games we play. For me, it doesn't make sense when we say "We will save our best players to play in MLS and play the reserves in USOC and CCL".

    Dudes, 34 games in a year is TOO FEW!! Where in the World a professional soccer player rest for 4 months? Only in the US. Our last match was in November, right? And our next match is in March! In March!!

    I could say "Ok, we have a roster of just 24 players, it makes sense to play the reserves", but now, with the expansion of the rosters up to 30 players, it doesn't make sense to put aside our best players when they play just 34 matches/year.

    As a pro team, we should try to win EVERYTHING!
     
  21. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    You can make that same argument for any high performing individual: continually upgrading a diversified skill set is the core equation for the extended math of 'winning'.
     
  22. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Understood that we don't want to take anything lightly, but I would actually argue that it is a bit more complicated than that.

    The soccer fans that we are supposedly hoping to win over from their preference for international leagues - Latin or Euro - are most likely interested in a team that plays attractive soccer, a team that wins and a team that is proven outside of the small pond and perceived low quality that is MLS. We have the first two, now remains the final (and most difficult) objective to achieve.

    People have long used the excuse of not being fans of MLS and FCD is that it is not the best soccer league in the world like we have for basketball and baseball. Successful MLS performance in the CCL and, more specifically, FCD's success may go a long way to win over these skeptics.

    I agree that winning MLS Cup may be the best way to win over a "Joe Sports Fan" or a person who discovered the beautiful game for the first time through the FCD experience...but I am not sure the population of fans in these situations is anywhere near as large as the already-soccer-fans who just may need to see the MLS raise its global profile as a serious league.

    Just an idea...I am really excited about more opportunities to see FCD soccer this year.
     
  23. dtid

    dtid Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    No, it isn't. To make the biggest impact, do one thing - the best thing - really well. Then you have your audience and can grow from there.

    Remember, this isn't a fleeting chance at the CCL - at least, not if we win MLS Cup next year.

    Agree on first step - we're playing good, attractive soccer.

    Disagree on the last point being the next step. And I would say that winning MLS Cup is a necessary piece before your second point is actually achieved.

    Look at how New England is perceived - not as an elite franchise, but as one that could never win the big one.

    Unfortunately, there are too many fans of soccer in the US who would dismiss CCL as not UEFA, etc. too easily. MLS Cup is more highly watched/considered.

    DC, LA, Houston's success - it isn't based on doing well in the CCL.

    Frankly, until you have a good example of an MLS team that has done well in the CCL and the impact it had on their marketability, this is all hypothetical.

    Again, most already-soccer-fans in the US/Dallas are going to put more stock in winning MLS Cup or beating Barcelona/AC Milan/etc. in a friendly over winning the CCL. Most of them - incorrectly, imo - look down on Mexican football.

    Remember, we're not talking about Copa Libertadores here. THAT would be a somewhat different story. We're talking about CONCACAF CL - Joe Public, Saprissa, Municipal, Isidro Metapan, Santos Laguna - and not River Plate, Boca Juniors, Vasco de Gama, etc.

    Now THAT is something I think we can all agree on!
     
  24. dtid

    dtid Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Methinks you don't have a good feel for what the limitations are in MLS.

    After player 10 through 15, depending on the team, MLS clubs fall off quickly in terms of talent/ability/experience. I don't think enough people realize how incredible FCD's run was last year, having to rely on Loyd, Alexander, Jackson so much down the stretch.

    Look at the juggling that RSL did last year to be successful in MLS and CCL. That is the kind of thing FCD is going to have to do this year.

    FWIW, I think FCD is going to be able to do a better job of it than RSL did last year, but it still is going to be a balancing act.

    And I also think that it will depend on the opponent.

    USOC v. some lower division team - especially with the Fed sanctioning decision about the NASL recently - is a chance to mix in the rookies and the proven homegrown players. USOC v. an MLS team - gotta play the starters, especially in the SF and Final if we happen to get there.

    CCL - qualifying round - gotta play the starters unless we're struggling in MLS - because that is the ticket to further games. Then it depends on the group we're in going forward. Playing some sort Carribean team here in Dallas - probably can mix in rookies and proven homegrown players. Playing Cruz Azul in Mexico - gotta play the starters if we have a chance to advance - again, assuming we're not struggling in MLS.

    I'll even allow for the chance there may be *MLS* games where we can play the rookies and proven homegrown players - against a struggling MLS side like Chivas, Houston (snicker), New England and DC struggled in 2010, especially at home.

    If MLS is well in hand (we're in the top four in the league) when those games show up, then we can start balancing things. And if we can succeed at BOTH, then by all means, go for it!

    But make no mistake, MLS HAS to come first.

    Please notice that I said "mix in" rather than "go with only" rookies and proven homegrown players. That is the great advantage of having the reserve league back - that is where the young homegrown players and other raw players can get their games.

    Should be fun. Players report in a week!
     
  25. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    There is just something magical about a knock out home and away series at these exotic locations. The intensity, the flavor, the style of play, the differences in the way the game is played, ect. ect....

    You haven't lived until you are playing in a hostile stadium like Azteca or Saprissa and walk out with a win. Especially, when you are the Gringo team. I am super stoked about this competition and will not have any of you kill my buzz. That is one of the great rewards that I looked forward to when supporting our perennial underperforming team. This is our reward for excelling in MLS. We now get a chance to prove our metal against the best in Concacaf. And, if/when we do, we get a chance to do what no other American pro sports team gets to do... and that is to play for a real "world championship".

    I hear the reluctant types posting, but we will keep the seats warm for you when you come flocking to the games and get fully into the competition next year. You will see.
     

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