I personally believe Hoyos may in fact play for the US. When and if Argentina qualifies for the U20 WC, he maybe the 4th or 5th best player on the team based on potential. Couple of these key players will not be at the South American Championships, so if he is going to really shine, it will be in Peru.
Are you saying at his position or on the team overall(which would mean he's not nearly a lock to make the roster for Colombia, though 4th or 5th at his position could still mean a roster spot)?
Sorry about that, let me clarify what I meant. He is the 4th or 5th best player in the U20 program(Couple were not released by River for the SA Tourney in Peru), 4th or 5th overall, not in a single position. I am sure he will make the U20 squad in Colombia but there are other players even more talented then him. There will be other players under the microscope for us then Hoyos.
What makes you believe the U.S. still has a shot at him? Just curious... A few of us on this forum have pretty much written him off.
Well, he is a generation of players like Manuel Lanzini, Erik Lamela, Sergio Araujo are all touted to be ahead of him on skill and talent. Lets not forget the senior when players like Lisandro, Conca,Zarate, Perotti are not even getting a look. So right now Hoyos is feeling like he is on cloud nine because he is given the shirt and is apart of the team. This will he even be more if the team makes the World Cup. But after this tourney and a couple years of not getting a call, I think he makes the jump. I mean he could blow up and become a star but I am so sure he might. A player like Lucas Barrios who is one of the more lethal forwards in the game was shunned away from us and he went to play for Paraguay which where is mother was from. Prior to that he was saying, "His heart is for Argentina" etc etc but he made the leap. My best guess for the US will be in 2013 Conf Cup(If you guys qualify), it will be a year before the WC, he will be 22 or so and the World Cup will be a year away, he will be eager to play in that tourney. So knows really, the kid can blow up and be a talent, he has potential.
Agree, there are soooo many great talents that are argentine... yet they never made it to the NT or got a cap.
How many of the players on Argentina's World Cup winning U20 teams is 2005 and 2007 U20 have made it up to the senior team on a regular basis? Messi, Agüero and Di Maria. After that there have been a few but not too many.
One interesting player that never made the transition, but was AMAZING for the U20 in the Messi/ WC winning year for the U20s..... TFC fans may remember him.... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqv0MPjDOyE"]YouTube - Pablo Vitti - Compilado Parte 1[/ame]
im inclined to agree with you. I think that will inevidably turn out to be the case. He could be suiting up for us in 2014.
Will he? Is he that much better than Gyau, Zahavi, Orozco or Gatt? or Najar? Honestly I have no idea, I'm assuming he is but there is competition for sure?
he could....its impossible to project that far ahead but hes an extremely highly rated youngster just like the others. Good problem to have. He'll inevidably find out that if he wants to play international ball his best chances of PT is with is.
If he was a defender then he would grow into a role. I mean it is just now Pablo Zabaleta is getting a look when 5.5 years ago he was the captain of the U20 team. Agree, or a player like Maxi Moralez, great tourney but just did not cut in Europe(Sure he is 5'3). I just do not know if Hoyos will ever be a full-time regular but I personally am patient and will wait to see how he turns out, maybe he is not, who knows. He knows he has to play lights for the next few years to even be considered.
This is the kind of thing people were saying about Rossi circa 2004-5. "He may be in Italy's youth teams, but when he doesn't get an opportunity with their full national team.......he'll come crawling back to us. We'll wait for Italy's sloppy seconds" It never happened. He waited for his chance. When I saw Italy play Romania in November, little Giussepe was wearing the captain's armband. Hoyos is playing for the Argentine U20's. He's an Argentine, living in Argentina, and playing his club football in Argentina. We may get him if Argentina doesn't want him, but there's no reason to believe right now that he'd abandon Argentina in 2 years if their senior team doesn't need him yet. A player who has a dream to play for Argentina will be patient, and wait his turn. (As long as he's good enough. If he doesn't develop into a good adult player, the US wouldn't want him either.)
So, did Hoyos have to file a one-time switch in order to play with Argentina in this competition? Put another way, is he lost to us? Since he had been in some YNT pools before, thought maybe it was possible...
No, the one-time switch would only come into play if he appeared in the U17 World Cup or related qualifying competitions. U18, U16, U15, etc are all 100% irrelevant to FIFA cap-tying rules.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only binding youth tournament he could've been a part of is U17 YWC qualifying and championship, which he wasn't(and obviously he hasn't participated for the US in this U20 cycle's official competition since it hasn't started yet). So he should still be able to make the one time switch. Edit: thanks Balerion
Well Rossi missed the last WC, ironically if he played for the US he would have been on the better side and maybe just maybe we would have reached the quaters or semi's. Now as it stands he will play in one WC maybe 2. Hoyos very well could miss the 2014 WC. The time for these guys to play for the US is now, by 2018 the competetion in the US could be as strong as ever.
You can say that about Rossi but that Italian team was getting old. The best players in Argentina are fairly young, Messi,Aguero, Di Maria,Higuain,Pastore and I can continue. The Italian team was old and that generation that won the WC was given a second hope to win it again in 2010, but the magic did not repeat. So of course, Rossi was going to be given a look because of his age, and also he had the skill. If the likes of Pirlo,Del Piero,Totti and whomever were still in their early 20's, I believe Rossi at best(Right now) would be coming off the bench. The timing for Rossi and Italy was perfect. Trust me i am rooting for Hoyos and glad he is given then #10(not sure if he is going to keep it when Lamela is on the team) but Hoyos will have to be lights out in his career to be given a shot.
my opinion of Hoyos is that he will play for argentina. hes already made his life there, plus he has committed 100% to the youth NT. remember, its not like it comes to the world cup and argentina selects him and the USA does and he makes his choice. he only has to play 1 match for argentina and its over. I know Jermaine Jones played a few friendlies and switched to the US, but that wasn't til he was much older. I doubt Hoyos will drop his dream of playing for Argentina until he is much, much older. At the moment, he's 19 and very difficult to see how good he'll be by Brazil 2014, much less Russia 2018 when he'll be in his prime, and i believe given the positin he plays (wide midfielder) i see it as impossible he won't get a call-up to the senior team in the next 8 years. argentina has very few players of his characteristics- he is a classic Argentina "8" who has a great shot, and can defend. Recently, Argentina has been using people like Maxi and Di Maria, who are more forwards than midfielders and offer almost 0 defensive cover, which in the end is why we lost 4-0 to germany.
If he doesn't get capped by Argentina before Brazil 2014 and usa offers him a spot, I guarantee he takes it. You're delusional if you think hes turning down a world cup spot at age 23. Maybe if he was still 16/17 like Rossi was. The usa has alot to offer young dual nationals in terms of high level tournaments, its not like he'd be switching to some third world footballing country.
He was MOTM, played a really good game. Here are the highlights, goal is in the middle of video. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki7Ru3ixDyw&feature=player_embedded#"]YouTube - Argentina 2 Uruguay 1 Campeonato Sudamericano Sub 20 Perú Enero 2011.mpg[/ame]!
What I don't understand is the animosity for Rossi, while Hoyos is the exact same situation and gets a collective 'meh.'