Do Car Bombs Leave Craters?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Matrim55, Mar 17, 2004.

  1. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
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    Connecticut
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    United States
    I'm just going by some foggy recollections of sophomore physics and hazy memories of newsreels.

    1) I'm pretty sure that car bombs, even 1000 lb car bombs, don't leave craters. All the energy would go up and out; path of least resistance and all.

    2) I've never seen a crater on any newsreel of a carbomb site. Not once.

    3) Some witnesses report a rocket attack leading to the explosion - but there's no tank or howitzer that could do that much damage with one round.

    So, um, something's fishy at the bomb site today. There'll be more to this story.
     
  2. Roel

    Roel Member

    Jan 15, 2000
    Santa Cruz mountains
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    Liverpool FC
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    The train bombs of 3/11 did not leave craters. That was a big-ass missle that tore up the hotel in Bagdad today. You're wondering who sent it and where'd they get it?

    Are the Russians entering this war?
     
  3. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    Just to answer the question.

    In the 1st WTC attacks, there was a huge crater, but that was in the parking garage.
     
  4. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Was there a crater outside the Murrah (sp?) Federal Building in OKC? Now that you mention it, I don't recall one, but I could be wrong.
     
  5. empennage

    empennage Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Phoenix, AZ
    From a story about the Oklahoma city bombing in 1995? Did a missle cause that too? :rolleyes:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...ode=&contentId=A99330-1995Apr20&notFound=true

    The explosion itself blasted a crater eight feet deep and 20 feet in diameter that was filled with rubble.
     
  6. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Put a Black cat in some loose dirt and it leaves a mini-crater. It all depends on how powerful the blast is. If it is enough to overcome the strength of what is underneath it, hell yes it will leave a crater.
     
  7. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    I would guess that the dirt in Iraq is based on much sand, too.

    Heck, when it rains in Florida, where sand is a major portion of the dirt, you can get major sinkholes that can swallow a house.
     
  8. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
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    Heck a grenade on the sidewalk leaves a small hole, don't know if it's enough to be called a crater, but still.
     
  9. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    If Karl had posted this... :)

    Which side would this attack put them on?

    Or are you talking about the Russians selling arms to the resistance in Iraq?
     
  10. chibchab

    chibchab Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    New Jersey
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    United States
    I think it would leave a crater.
     
  11. Roel

    Roel Member

    Jan 15, 2000
    Santa Cruz mountains
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    Liverpool FC
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    Netherlands
    Creative suspicion, nothing more. Just imagine how the dynamics would shift if a player like that joined the war.

    But according to an AP report, eye witnesses claimed a rocket (missle?) went into the building.
     
  12. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
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    United States
    oh dear. Rain doesn't cause sinkholes.

    And how in the world does rain in Florida and sinkholes have anything to do with bomb craters?
     
  13. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    That's only because we built our state on a FREAKING SWAMP.
     
  14. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
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    United States
    Are you, a fellow Floridian, ENDORSING the rain causes sinkholes theory?

    boy oh boy :O
     
  15. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Maybe I'm missing something here, but so what if it was a missile attack?? The insurgents in Iraq have used them to attack civilian targets before...not as often as they've used car bombs, IEDs, and the like, but it isn't unheard of (the Palestine Hotel attack comes to mind).
     
  16. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    No. I'm endorsing the idea that you can't build cities on top of swamps without the occasional city block being swallowed whole by the earth.
     
  17. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
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  18. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    I am all for learning. Someday, I would like to teach my children those little things we all should know. No need to get all snooty.

    We are not talking about rain exactly, but the ability for such things like sinkholes (which do have some relation to water) in such surfaces. I am talking about the land, the dirt in Iraq.

    Florida has sinkholes, but that was part of the thought process to determine that certain soils have certain characteristics. In that, one could guess that Iraq has some dirt with high sand content. The same idea that I know I can't plant certain trees in my yard due to the high local content of clay in the dirt. The same idea that helped create the world's most famous skyline in the world, Manhatten, built on some of the hardest and natural rock base on this planet.

    I could then guess that if you blow up a "bomb" on the surface with high sand content, the sand could/would move more easliy than say some other, more solid, dense subsurface.

    What causes sinkholes?

    Sinkholes are closed depressions in the land surface formed by dissolution of near-surface rocks or by the collapse of the roofs of underground channels and caverns. Sinkholes are a natural, common geologic feature in places underlain by soluble rocks such as the limestone and dolomite that form the Floridan aquifer system. Under natural conditions, sinkholes form slowly and expand gradually. However, activities such as dredging, constructing reservoirs, diverting surface water, and pumping groundwater can accelerate the rate of sinkhole expansions, resulting in the abrupt formation of collapse-type sinkholes, some of which are spectacular.

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    source: St. John's Water Management District.

    http://waterquality.ifas.ufl.edu/PRIMER/h2o2.html#a7
     
  19. speedcake

    speedcake Member

    Dec 2, 1999
    Tampa
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
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    United States
    I wasn't meanin' ta be snooty! sorry.

    But I am glad you learned something about Florida, however useless the information might be to you!

    By the way, the reason N.Y. City is able to build such humungous and tall skyscrapers is the same reason that Paris is unable to. The lack of substantial bedrock to support tall buildings has kept the skyline low. I'd wager that has much more to do with it than any artistic or "French" reasons. :D

    London, on the other hand, seems to have nothing of that problem as they have some pretty aggresive planes to drastically enhance an already impressive European skyline!

    whew!
     

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