FIFA Ballon D'Or

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Oct 26, 2010.

  1. Pass-n-Go

    Pass-n-Go Member+

    Jul 5, 2008
    True. I think it will be a combination of both the WC and club play. While I think Messi will win, I would not be surprised if he doesn't.
     
  2. leomessi1919

    leomessi1919 New Member

    Jun 18, 2008
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Why? when xavi misses a game, barcelona doesn't miss a beat. In the last game of the season last year, yaya toure stepped in and made forward runs, had 2 assists and was more dynamic than xavi ever was.

    When messi misses however, barca is a mess. They only drew against Rubin Kazan thanks to an Iniesta dive that resulted in a joke of a penalty. When Messi is rested, like against Bilbao, the whole balance of the team is off. I'd rather Iniesta, Messi, Sneijder, Forlan, Sweinztieger, Eto'o, Miltio, Ozil, Cristiano, or Robben win this before xavi

    We are seeing how relient Bayern are on Robben by how bad they are without him now. We saw the dutch look static and awful for 2 and a half games without him, as soon as he entered against Cameroon, they were a different, better team, and he helped them get to the final with key goals, assists, yes and drawing red cards.
     
  3. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Whoa whoa, wait a minute. How much of Barca do you actually watch?

    Nevermind, you said all you needed to say right here.

    Bayern's "problems" go way beyond Robben for your information.
     
  4. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

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  5. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I have to disagree with you. Using hypothetical theory doesn't back up your argument. If so and so was on that team, if so and so was on this team....whatever, you can't prove anything this way.

    You said it yourself, in one of the Villa examples vs Portugal. His goal was created after a combination between Xavi and Iniesta. Xavi might not have had the amazing stats (assists) but he was involved heavily in the whole playing style that Spain used to win the WC with. He was the main director of the whole production, despite not being directly involved with assist in all the goals Spain scored. If hockey statistics are used (assists are given to two players involved in creating the goal) his stats might look better.

    Even Stevie Wonder could see the main role Xavi plays in the way Spain and Barcelona perform not only in 2010 but also in the last few years. His role is not presented in direct assist stats, but in the way he contributes/directs the control and flow of the match.
     
  6. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Not true at all. And I say this as a big Messi fan as well. FYI, the main reason why Barcelona wants to bring Fabregas back to the club is because they know Xavi can't last much longer playing at such a high level given his current age. Xavi is the orchestrator of the beautiful Barca and Spain symphony.
     
  7. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    On another note, the French Magazine L'Equipe has announced their choice for Team of the Year 2010:

    Casillas
    Maicon
    Lucio
    Pique
    Coentrao
    Busquets
    Xavi
    Iniesta
    Schweinsteiger
    Sneijder
    Messi
     
  8. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Inter's Milito should win it, but Messi has a strong argument too. Either way an Argentine should take it.:)
     
  9. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    How the hell does someone who is the 3rd or 4th choice at his position for his NT deserve to be the player of the year?
     
  10. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005

    Idk. Ask Maradona .
     
  11. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Thank you for proving my point.
     
  12. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    So for you Maradona is the pinnacle of objectivity about the quality of players? LOL
     
  13. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Maradona or...
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  14. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    The best player in the world should have no problems making a NT starting 11 regardless who coaches.

    Also Milito got his chance to play in a WC game and performed vastly inferior to both Tevez and Higuain.

    So again: How can someone be the best player in the world if he isn't even the 3nd best forward from his nation?
     
  15. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005

    Same way that you can't choose your relatives
     
  16. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    I don't agree with Milito winning it either. He had a great year with Inter, and while I think he is a great player, he doesn't have as much natural talent as the likes of Higuain, Tevez, and Aguero. I think Inter's system was set up perfectly for him, though, while Argentina's wasn't.
     
  17. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Logic is cleary not your strength.


    Exactly. Milito is a great system striker but lacks versatility and talent. While being crucial for winning the CL I don't think Milito is the driving force for Inter's seasons - more of a team sucess where everyone did his job well.
     
  18. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    That logically explains Kahn's winning it
     
  19. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Let me repeat, since you chose to ignore the question: Do you consider Maradona to be the pinnacle of objectivity when chosing his squad?

    Because if the answer is no then all your musings above are irrelevant. If the answer is yes, then all I can do is point and laugh.
     
  20. phil80

    phil80 Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    I agree that Milito shouldnt win it and that he is not as talented as Tevez, etc, but I think you are not giving him enough credit for his last season. Without him Inter would not have been as successful. His efficiency in front of goal allowed Inter to stay in their defensive setup. He was influential for both league and especially the champions league tournament. IMO he was without a doubt the best striker in club football.
     
  21. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    I'm sure this has been re-hashed to death, but if you would indulge me, What does it mean to be chosen as the awardee of the Fifa Ballon d'or ? Is it the best striker, the best gk, the best winger, the best whatever ?
    Or is it the player that symbolized what the sport is all about ? A player that outshines all others in the team because he's the one that was in the right place at the right time most of the time in a given year. In other words, a winner.
    For me Milito fills the requisite more than anybody else. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it, damn it.
     
  22. Estel

    Estel Member+

    May 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I guess finishing 2/2 chances in the champions league final, while also scoring other large number of very important goals and being one of the top-3 players in terms of influence in helping your team win an unlikely season treble is not enough these days to even get nominated for a Balon d'Or. Since these days it seems that natural talent > everything else.

    I wonder, on hindsight, whether the Netherlands prefer the natural talent of Robben or the finishing masterclass of Milito(assuming he had been dutch), considering that Robben ended his major finals with a tally of 0/2 in terms of goal conversions.
     
  23. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    And I fully agree. Inter was a very well tuned machine last season, that needed all its respective parts to operate successfully, and yes, Milito was a huge part of that.

    And as palynka pointed out, we can't necessarily base our evaluation of Milito's worthiness of the Ballon D'Or on Maradona's squad choices. This is, after all, the same man who decided to play Jonas Gutierrez as a fullback, and left Zanetti at home.
     
  24. phil80

    phil80 Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    Agree with your points but i dont think Robben is a good player to compare to. Robben is almost always very efficient on breakaways. He had one chance when Puyol fouled him that he attempted to keep playing instead of going down and there wasnt enough space for him. The other chance he shouldve put in, but it is worth noting that Casillas has been going up against Robben when they were teammates, he knew that Robben usually does a fake shot and then dribbles and slots it into the goal. You could see Casillas anticipating Robben dribbling. IMO Robben got caught in two minds and hit it early which ended up barely grazing Casillas's toe. Robben is usually dependable in those circumstances but unfortuneately for him he was going up against a keeper that knew his moves and preferences. Full credit to Casillas.

    Agreed, and even choosing an aging Palermo over the most inform striker at that moment, Milito.
     
  25. Estel

    Estel Member+

    May 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Top-class finishers don't get caught up in two-minds nor do they have only one prominent move to fool keepers.

    Anyway, I gave Robben's example to show what kind of a difference a true finisher makes to a team's chances of winning in football and thus explain why Milito's performances for Inter last season need to be lauded.
     

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