FOX Sports renews U.S. video rights to UEFA Champions League through May 2015

Discussion in 'TV, Satellite & Radio' started by huhe888, Dec 14, 2010.

  1. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
  2. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Good News. Fox does a nice job of airing the Champions League.
     
  3. richardfromnyc

    Apr 6, 2009
    New York
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Yes, good news indeed. Much rather the games be on Fox than ESPN
     
  4. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
    Quick analysis:

    1. David Hill appears to have "doubled down" on the U.S. video rights to the UEFA Champions League in order to try to push FOX Soccer Channel into expanded tiers so that FSC can eventually reach over 70 million U.S. TV households.

    2. Even though the ratings for the 2010 UEFA CL final on FOX was about half what Mr. Hill was hoping for, FOX made up for the audience by moving Saturday afternoon baseball to 7pm Eastern Time (with the Yankees-Mets subway series,) which brought the highest rating of the 2010 season for FOX Saturday baseball.

    The viewers like what FOX is doing with the UEFA CL: 3 or 4 games live on the FOX-branded TV networks each match day (with the others on DIRECTV or pay-per-view/pay subscription/Internet streaming,) all games with English-language commentary from BSkyB, and 3 games via same-day delay in English on FOX Soccer Channel.
     
  5. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
    The new UEFA CL video rights deal marginalizes FOX Soccer Plus because FOX Soccer Plus won't be assigned any live matches once the knockout phase begins.

    ==

    Expected channel assignments starting with 2012-2013 UEFA CL:

    Playoff Round and Group Stage Match Days 1-6

    Tuesdays and Wednesdays at 2:30pm ET:

    #1 pick on FOX Sports Net (i.e. Manchester United & Chelsea)
    #2 pick on FOX Soccer Channel (i.e. the other 2 English clubs)
    #3 pick on FOX Deportes (i.e. Real Madrid & Barcelona)
    #4 pick on FOX Soccer Plus (i.e. Italian clubs or Bayern Munich)
    #5-8 picks on DirecTV, FOXsoccer.tv, iPhone, and uefa.com pay-per-view

    1st Knockout Round and Quarterfinal

    Tuesdays & Wednesdays at 2:30pm ET:

    #1 pick on FOX Sports Net and FOX Deportes
    #2 pick on FOX Soccer Channel

    Semifinal

    2 matches live on FX & FOX Deportes
    2 matches live on FOX Soccer Channel & FOX Deportes

    Final

    LIVE on FOX & FOX Deportes
     
  6. MisterB1968

    MisterB1968 Member

    Feb 27, 2008
    New Castle, DE
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully by the time this kicks in CSN Philadelphia will start to be able to air the games, seeing only half of the United games sucked, but seeing none of them would be even worse.
     
  7. blackhornet

    blackhornet Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Love addding FSN in the mix for Wednesdays. Interesting about dumping FSN for FX for the semifinal tho. How would that work? there is only one semi per day. Would FX only show semis on Tuesdays? Does this mean more sports on FX? Does FX become more like TNT? Will any other FSN/Fox Sports properties be moved to FX?

    Looking at FX's lineup for the next few weeks it seems a lot less robust than it did 5 years ago - the last time I looked at it. Lotsa infomercials and Two and a Half Men reruns.
     
  8. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is my favorite part:

    It seems to me that FOX really wants to build up it's sports section and become what NBC was in it's prime. A good move by FOX if they do bid and win!
     
  9. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
    We'll know by March 2011 whether FOX Soccer Channel will broadcast MLS matches, and at what terms.

    If FOX wants to bid for U.S. video rights to the World Cup, then FOX knows what FIFA is charging for a ticket to the auction: a rights fee deal with MLS at a price tag of at least $2 million each year.
     
  10. 7spencer7

    7spencer7 Member

    Mar 25, 2008
    Outside Boston
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, when the world cup is going to cost hundreds of millions of dollars they are worried about the nickel and dime MLS. It's one of those costs they will just eat, it's not that big of a deal.
     
  11. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
    Many of the FOX Sports Net regional affiliates have live afternoon baseball, mostly on Wednesdays (and occasionally on Tuesdays and Thursdays), in April and May.

    Moving 2 UEFA CL semifinals from FSN to FX will eliminate the regional clearance problem.

    ==

    Philadelphia still does not have a full FSN affiliate because the affiliation agreement between CSN Philadelphia and FSN has a limit on the number of hours of FSN programming CSN Philly can air each week.

    Time Warner Cable subscribers the Buffalo TV market now has 4 regional sports networks (MSG Buffalo, SNY, YES, Time Warner Cable Sports) but NONE of the 4 are affiliated with FSN.

    (Time Warner Cable Buffalo does NOT offer FOX Sports Pittsburgh even though Buffalo is part of the MLB Pittsburgh Pirates TV territory [The NY Yankees and the NY Mets also claim Buffalo]. MSG+ cannot be offered in Buffalo because regional telecasts of NHL NJ Devils nor the NY Islanders are subject to blackout in Buffalo.)
     
  12. paco1986

    paco1986 Member

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    huhe,

    Does this mean that FOX Sports will continue to sublicense EPL matches to ESPN through 2015?
     
  13. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does that mean FOX will have to broadcast MLS games or would they just air games on FSC? That wouldn't be a very ideal deal for MLS, in my opinion.
     
  14. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
    Correction:

    Time Warner Cable in Buffalo now offers MSG+ even though MSG+ cannot broadcast the NHL NJ Devils or the NY Islanders in the Buffalo market. That means Buffalo has an full time FOX Sports Net affiliate.

    The versions of MSG and MSG+ in Buffalo are different from those offered in the rest of the state. Because NHL Buffalo Sabres has regional cable TV exclusivity in the Buffalo market, the Devils, Islanders, and Rangers have to be blacked out.
     
  15. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    I'm confused.

    Not that long ago you claimed to know that Fox wasn't going to bid or pay to be a tv partner with MLS/SUM beyond 2010.

    Now you claim to know that they will, and you claim to know the minimum (or maximum) price as to what their annual deal with MLS will be worth in 2011 (and for the duration of their potential next deal with MLS/SUM).

    How do you get your information and/or opinions?

    from where does this "$2 million per year" figure you're throwing out there come?
     
  16. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
    1. I am skeptical of FSI's interest in MLS. Just because the GM of FOX Soccer says he would "look into" the U.S. video rights to the World Cups, doesn't mean that the World Cups are a high priority at FSI.

    2. FSI paid $2 million/year for TV rights to the MLS in the U.S. during the 2007-2010 contract cycle. That was the minimum price of the "ticket" FIFA was charging media companies to the U.S. video rights auction for the 2010 and 2014 World Cups.

    We will know how badly FOX wants to bid for the U.S. video rights to the World Cups by March 2011, when MLS announces whether MLS Saturday will return to FOX Soccer or MLS will move on to a new deal with Comcast (Versus, Universal Sports, Comcast Sportsnet, Telemundo, and/or mun2.)

    FIFA tossed out NBC Universal's bid in 2005 (for the U.S. video rights to World Cups 2010 and 2014 in all languages) because CONCACAF officials determined that NBC Universal had no history of "supporting" the growth of soccer in the U.S. (read: NBC Universal hadn't paid MLS a dime.)
     
  17. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    I see some of the points you're trying to make, but your timelines are a bit out of whack and/or misaligned.

    you weren't "skeptical" just a few weeks/months ago. you were downright certain FSI had no interest in MLS beyond 2010.

    exactly. and there's no (established/known) link to FSI's potential interest in World Cup rights (for 2015-2022) and FSI's possible interest (or no interest) in renewing with MLS/SUM in 2011 and beyond.

    FIFA doesn't set a "ticket" price for domestic league coverage.

    FIFA (in Nov 2005) went with Disney/Univision for FIFA broadcast rights from 2007-2014 because they knew/suspected that Disney/Univision would be willing (or kinda forced via backroom dealings/agreements) to become paying tv partners with SUM/MLS.

    FSI's contract with MLS for 2007-2010 had very little (if anything) to do with the FIFA rights deals for 2007-2014. Was FSI ever a serious bidder for the 2007-2014 FIFA broadcast rights in the US? (I thought NBC and Disney/Universal were the only serious/able bidders. Maybe I have the incorrect.)

    Or FSI's potential ongoing business relationship with MLS/SUM will not be an indication of anything FIFA-related. it could just be FSI wanting to have FSC be "America's Soccer Channel" and a channel that presents the top domestic league here.

    but yes, there is the angle that FSI will maintain their paying relationship with SUM/MLS in order to be seen as good stewards of the sport here and potentially looked favorably upon by FIFA whenever they get around to selling their next cycle(s) of FIFA broadcast rights in this market.

    to me, there's no clear indication for 2011 MLS that it is either/or with FSI or Comcast. is there anything stopping MLS from having partnerships with both FSI and Comcast?

    can't Comcast fill the "void" left by HDnet, and SUM can return to having 4 "national" broadcast partners for MLS?

    and at that time in 2005 Disney and Univision hadn't paid anything to MLS either. MLS was doing time-buys and programing swaps. your alignment of history on this is a bit off.

    it wasn't until after winning the FIFA rights (once Blazer had the ExCo pull the FIFA rug out from under NBCU) for 2007-2014 that Disney and Univision each committed to being paying broadcast partners (and producers) for MLS/SUM content (also for 2007-2014).

    again, I can see the relationship triangle between each of Disney and Univision with FIFA and MLS/SUM (and the matching broadcast contract durations), but I do not know how FSI would/could potentially fit into any complex triangle of business/broadcast partnerships with FIFA and MLS/SUM.

    I just see FSI doing what they'll always decide to do with MLS and that decision being relatively independent of their concerns about or plans for bidding on future FIFA rights.

    So your "$2 million" figure seems not all that relevant or useful, imo.
     
  18. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    according to this link:
    http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article.preview&articleid=67602

    it was $3 million/year. (not that I have any way of determining if the 2 or 3 million figure is the accurate and true figure.)

    there could be a lot of inaccuracies in that article (and I admit I've only seen the brief preview of the article), and I'd be hesitant to fully believe those apparent "several sources" as I have a difficult time believing much of anything that is said "publicly" during this type of current private business negotiation period.
     
  19. JJ Mindset

    JJ Mindset Member

    Dec 7, 2000
    What happened in this year's CL final was a shame because, even though Bayern Munich and Internazionale are venerable names in the sport, in the States they don't have much name recognition. Even a Benfica in the final is not a sure ratings-winner because while they'd attract a lot of people of Portuguese background they're associated with a league that most Anglos don't care about. It would have to be a combo of either ManU/Arsenal/Liverpool with either AC Milan/Barça/Real Madrid/maybe Roma/maybe Celtic/possibly Juventus for it to start registering with casual viewers. FOX's plan probably was to immediately attract the general soccer nut but not enough of them tuned in.

    Now that they've extended their rights they should start a massive education campaign about the CL and why it matters. Maybe around the semi-final round do a background story on the players involved, how they go there, etc.. Make a 30-second ad feat. several top players. An ad line would go like this, "Some of these players will be in the final. Find out who will make the final cut. Only on Fox, FX and Fox Soccer Channel." Market it like they would American Idol. Then show strategic ads featuring some of these same players celebrating advancing to the final and others dejected after losing, along the way showing clips of great plays. You gotta "turn the game" into a sort-of reality show because you have to convince people to care about these strangers, who may not show up on broadcast television for a long time after.
     
  20. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You said it's a shame that Inter Milan doesn't have much name recognition but then you named three other Serie A teams that would've registered with the casual viewer. Do you think AC Milan, Roma and Juventus are more popular than Roma in the US? I think Inter is just as big those three...maybe even bigger.
     
  21. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
    The only Serie A team that can draw sports fans beyond the hard core soccer fan in the U.S. is AC Milan, and only because Ronaldinho is still on the team now that David Beckham is no longer there.

    Inter Milan, Bayern Munich, and Juventus are the weakest of the Top 10 "Delotte Football Money League" brands in the U.S. market. None of these 3 clubs have an "A List" star on their squads.

    Roma is not on most people's radar.

    The pecking order of the "Top 10" European clubs in the U.S. market:

    1. Manchester United
    --
    Big Gap
    --
    2. Barcelona
    3. Real Madrid
    4. Chelsea
    --
    Gap
    --
    5. Liverpool (used to be somewhere between #2 and #4, but has fallen off due to poor on-field performance)
    6. Arsenal
    --
    Gap
    --
    7. AC Milan
    --
    Gap
    --
    8. Inter Milan
    9. Bayern Munich
    10. Juventus

    ==

    Of course, Chivas Guadalajara and Club America are both WAY AHEAD of Manchester United, simply due to the sheer number of Mexicans who live in the U.S. especially in the Los Angeles TV market (and to a lesser extent the big TV markets in Texas.)
     
  22. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where is that list from?
     
  23. DAGSports

    DAGSports New Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    It's fairly close to a mirror of FSC and ESPN's channel assignments/priority for games. The ratings seem to bare it out, given what ESPN and FSC let slip about ratings from time-to-time.
     
  24. Warren Van Orden

    Feb 29, 2000
    Richmond CA
  25. corolla

    corolla Member

    Jan 8, 2008
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    The computer in his mom's basement.
     

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