Thanks. Anotehr thing. The PP did manage to stop ETAs terrorism to near zero thanks to police work, not of a war. We gained support and coalboration of other nations were terrorists hid, like France, thanks to diplomacy, not bullying -nor that we could, of course- Thus we couldn't understand Aznar's support of the Iraq thing. We knew that that didn't solve anything for the US!
If I am not wrong part of the PSOE program was to ask for a quick passing of management leadership in iraq from US to UN otherwise the spanish troops would be retreated.
I would like to congratulate the terrorists for their victory in Spain. The idiot socialists in Spain have virtually guaranteed an attack in the United States in the days before the November election. Intimidation worked once, why not try it again. Appeasement has won the day in Spain. The message from Spaniards to the terrorists: "Please kill us last". Morons.
Fixed, given your fool logic. Spain caved to terrorism by exercising their rights to select a government that would, in foreign policy, reflect the OVERWHELMING popular will. America fought terrorism by invading two nations, illegally invading one, killing tens of thousands of people, and reducing the rights and liberties of its own citizenry through legislation. And, according to your own statement, all that will make no difference, b/c we're gonna be attacked anyway. You're a damn fool.
I did read your post. Congrats. Al Qaeda will save you for last. By then, there might not be anyone around to help you.
Did your illegal war save my 200 fellow citizens? Since the assassins seem to be from Morocco... do we invade them? We craft a false excuse in order to do it? Hey... there's oil in the Sahara, maybe that's not a bad idea... What about pressing by a UN governed Iraq, is that really sucha bad idea? Injustice just breeds injustice.
BTW, the PP was losing in the polls before the blast by yet anotehr reason: they were blatantly using the victims of our own domestic terrorists to gain political advantages, much like your dear Bushy. He'd better learn from today. But I wouldn't give the guy that much credit. Another question: we have been suffering terorism since the 60s... where were the US for us before 9/11?
dmar, thanks for your input. If you want to know how seriously you should take Ian McCracken, click here.
So the winner is the Socialists. But it seems that the bigSoccer republicans here didn't like the democratic election result. Why?
tcmahoney, I'm not sure if I'm going to click, but I pity this guy, I think in his depths he's scared as hell Anyway, I don't think the people who changed their minds -I didn't- were right; after all, the possibility of an AQ strike as a result of involvement in the war was the same before thursday than, say, tomorrow, but I understand them, they didn't had time enough before the polls to get back to their nerves, and remembering the PP ignoring the anti-war demonstrations was really upsetting for them. More important is, that retarded just insulted my country, and I won't stand for that. And that's in case he thinks I like appeasement.
I was planning on letting this thread die since another Spanish election thread was later started. I have to admit, though, that I am surprised to be called a Bush apologist. I didn't think my post mentioned anything about US party politics. Can someone clue me in.
Zapatero´s comments following the attack was one of the few times he impressed me. When a reporter asked what what he thought the effect on the election would be Zapatero said it didn´t matter, that all Spaniard´s are in the fight against terrorism as one. Note: Dmar, feel free to correct my interpretation as needed. My Spanish isn´t as good as it should be.
Don´t fool yourself into thinking the new socialist government will not be friendly with the US. It might take some work but it is in both countries interest to work together. After the situation with Torrejon Air Base was resolved the last socialist government ended up being a very good ally and friend.
The writing's on the wall for the intellectually challenged. When you do something, it sends a message, whether it is stated verbally or not.. If the new socialist party doesn't take a hard line against terrorism, then Al-Qaeda will have scored a major victory in intimidating people. Beyond that they'll have a foothold in Western Europe to continue their 'war'. One Spaniard on here has already said that the bombings had their effect. I would have liked to have seen some of you guys out there on the playground as kids..Some bully comes by and beats the ******** out of kids and you all stand by watching. You support the kids who are against the bully and then the bully comes back and kicks your asses. So next time you just go back and sit idly while the bully comes back and whips someone else's ass...saying, hey, we're not helping them anymore.. So what happens is that terrorism has become a legitimate means to show opposition to something, rather than peaceful negotiation. That's the ********ing message that is sent you ********ing dumbasses. So when you all don't like something why don't you all go out and get your anarchists cookbook..
It was the socialist government that negotiated Spain's 1986 entry into NATO. And Spain provided military support for Gulf War I. "Socialist" does not necessarily mean anti-American. In fact, as I understand it, PSOE is more like the other center-left parties that often dominate European politics. Yes to free enterprise, but not at the expense of programs like national healthcare.
Re: AQ influencing Spain's elections so you don't think there was perhaps a tiny link between Spain's support for the US in Iraq and the bombing in Madrid then? IIRC the Spanish people didn't want to have anything to do with the war in Iraq, partly because it'd make them a target.
I love it how right-wingers assume that whoever did it was doing things specifically to hurt their candidates. It's all a left-wing conspiracy, right, Ian? Maybe the Spanish Socialists called Hillary, who called ETA, who called Al Qaida. They're all linked, you know...